Penelope Jackson murder trial

Well she must have been Mad for whatever reason and therefore was not in a right state of mind.
She is now showing remorse.
The alternative would have been a long term secure psychiatric hospital which are notoriously harder to leave than prison.

She has to serve 18 years. According to the senior detective interviewed outside court she painted a terrible picture of her husband. What did for her was the manner she in which she spoke to the arresting officers and the 999 operator. There wasn’t really any going back from that.

She committed a terrible crime, particularly when stabbing him further when he was calling 999, however ....

I'm just mulling things over in the mind - if she'd been so calculating, rather than 'losing it', would she really have said those startling things to the police that were caught on their bodycams?

The Daily Mail article is a disgrace - how she 'lured a man from his loving marriage' - such sexist writing.

I think one of the key aspects of the decision may have been that she did actively seek him out to stab him, when he had removed himself from the situation.

The daughter and her husband witnessed the quarrel over Zoom and he then shut himself in the bedroom. So it was planned in that she deliberately took a knife and went to find him.

The person who seems to be suffering most is her daughter who says she has lost a man she loved and respected and a woman who was always there for her.

I don’t think the evidence of how her 3rd husband died did her any favours.

Would the jury have heard that though.

When I was on jury service a whole raft of previous “happenings” was not allowed.

We didn’t know anything about it till after the verdict.

MerylStreep

I don’t think the evidence of how her 3rd husband died did her any favours.

why, what happened?

MerylStreep

I don’t think the evidence of how her 3rd husband died did her any favours.

Was that presented as evidence in the trial?

I didn't follow the trial.

I don’t understand why events such as these are shown on national television. It must be so distressing for everyone concerned.

i think she agreed that she drove her 3rd husband to suicide by breaking his heart, ie having an affair, during her evidence in chief.
haven't read all the details.

Many women do not realise they are being abused to start with. It can come as a very angry shock when they do. Verbal abuse is just as nasty as physical. It was for me as I had a not had a particularly very nice childhood. I think it could twist your mind in some cases. I feel sorry for her. 18 years is very harsh. Does any one know the proportion of men/women in the jury?

this is from the dm

She claimed she didn't remember the 18-minute 999 call on the night of February 13. She told the operator he was 'in the kitchen bleeding to death with any luck' and added 'I thought I'd got him in the heart but he hasn't got one'. . She claimed she had taken an eight-inch filleting knife with her to bed in case her husband was violent. .........

It seems obsessed to me that her behaviour on police camera outside her house on the night in question that she came across as shocked and incredulous that that scenario played out to suggest she was worn down and suffering a breakdown of some sort. It's not easy to tell people what exactly you suffering in your own home. Its embarrassing to admit to a doctor. There, but for the grace of God .go I. If I hadn't walked out many years ago, it could be me or any other woman in her place right now. I was not going to let my ex H dictate my life. I was well rid, of the f...er, then, by divorcing him. And why is it, a woman commiting a crime is worse than any man's crime. Poor woman got life, with a minimum of 18 years. Jeez

Obsessed meant obvious

Urmstongran

She could have just left him. As in walked out. She had a daughter. She could have stayed for a while. Divorced. Got a payout (half) and set up on her own. Yes I feel very sorry for what went on in her 3rd marriage. But it wasn’t all behind closed doors. Her daughter knew some of it. She wasn’t trapped at home with babies and nowhere to run. Sorry but I think she did have options. She didn’t choose any.

Women who are abused by their husband or partner are often too demoralised to just walk away. They have been told so often that they are worthless that they come to believe it.

And then, sometimes, they snap.

I have a niece in just this situation.

It strikes me that many of the posters on here wouldn’t have been accepted onto the trial jury since their biased views even before hearing the evidence would render them unworthy of providing justice.

I can confirm that jurors do have biased views.
They're randomly picked

I remember the one and only time my mum snapped.
She put a plate of food over my fathers head, it broke the plate.
The night didn’t end well ?
Later in bed me and my sister giggled at the fried onions on his face. ?

She’s got 18 years! I hope she appeals and wins a reduction.

From the little I've read, it sounds as though he was full of contempt for her and had probably spent years putting her down passively aggressively and controlling her. Passive control is often hidden from others who think the man is just so ordinary and wouldn't hurt a fly, except his wife that is! The women in such marriages become so demoralised that leaving is NOT an option, they don't have the courage or the resilience to do it.

I should think her mental state was and is precarious and I think the sentence is harsh. Presumably she will appeal. I don't think that taking a knife to bed is calculating, I think it's someone acting in terror and if you're in that much terror, you are in full flight mode and not able to think clearly.

I have also been on jury service (3 times!) and you don't know all sorts of things until after the trial and some of those things might have changed your mind.

kittylester

Urmstongran

She could have just left him. As in walked out. She had a daughter. She could have stayed for a while. Divorced. Got a payout (half) and set up on her own. Yes I feel very sorry for what went on in her 3rd marriage. But it wasn’t all behind closed doors. Her daughter knew some of it. She wasn’t trapped at home with babies and nowhere to run. Sorry but I think she did have options. She didn’t choose any.

Women who are abused by their husband or partner are often too demoralised to just walk away. They have been told so often that they are worthless that they come to believe it.

And then, sometimes, they snap.

I have a niece in just this situation.

I’m very sorry indeed to hear that kitty. It must have been very distressing for your family. Different circs.

However.
I still feel this case is from a generation above. No kids. Independent pensions. Choices.

She was obviously deranged when police turned up. Who knows what kind of people picked at random were on the jury or if the judge was a misogynistic bigot! The justice system needs looking into- so many sentences are illogical or do I mean inconsistent ? None of us knows all the background to this case but for many it must be a case of “There but for the grace of god go I”

i am surprised at the wholesale dismissal of the verdict and sentence in this case, imputing all kinds of malfeasance to the judge and jury.
perhaps, they followed the law, on all the facts before them.
people are making so many assumptions and irrelevant comparisons.
we seem to have swung as a society from widespread misogyny to the opposite; the woman is always the righteous victim.
i feel sorry for the murdered man.

Me too welbeck. This didn’t have to happen. Not at their age.

welbeck

i am surprised at the wholesale dismissal of the verdict and sentence in this case, imputing all kinds of malfeasance to the judge and jury.
perhaps, they followed the law, on all the facts before them.
people are making so many assumptions and irrelevant comparisons.
we seem to have swung as a society from widespread misogyny to the opposite; the woman is always the righteous victim.
i feel sorry for the murdered man.

Totally agree. For some it's as if a woman is always innocent.

We have no idea what was said in court. We don't know anything.

This woman committed a shocking crime. She didn't appear remorseful.

I feel sorry for the murdered man as well.

And I also know very well about being married to an abusive man. I know it's not easy to leave. I'm aware of nightmares that some women go through. Having been through it myself.

But I cannot and will not assume anything about this case.