Penelope Jackson murder trial

MissAdventure

I don't think anyone commits suicide because of someone else's actions.
That's an outrageous thing to say.

I do think people can be driven to suicide.

If we accept that someone’s actions can affect another persons mental stability to the extent that they will attack, then surely someone can be affected in the same way and chose to take their own life instead.

Her defence for taking the knife was that she was thinking of killing herself.

MissAdventure

The point about domestic abuse is that they can be charming, they can be sorry, they can be very charismatic.
It's fairly obvious that if they were foul all the time then their cover would be blown and their partners would be off after a week or so.

Women are capable of domestic abuse too.

The point about domestic abuse is that they can be charming, they can be sorry, they can be very charismatic.
The same can apply to women

We had a neighbour who regularly abused her husband physically and also her daughter, but not her sons. However, I can't say that she was charismatic. He seemed to be a nice man but I must admit that for a long time we all worried that he was abusing her - not so. It was stereotyping, wasn't it, as it seemed unthinkable that the woman was the abuser.

Penelope Jackson seemed quite emotionally detached during the aftermath of the stabbing. I know shock can cause different reactions but she seemed very matter-of-fact and satisfied about it all.

Any psychiatric reports would be interesting.

I've just said that I listened to a youtube vid about a female domestic abuser.
Her partner had a kettle of boiling water poured onto his face; all kinds of awful things.
I'm not and have never denied that men can be victims, too.

That's why is makes no sense to say that someone doesnt seem like the typical victim, because there are all sorts, with all sorts of personalities, and in all sorts of circumstances.

I've just said that I listened to a youtube vid about a female domestic abuser.
Sorry, I missed that.

No problem.
Anyway, penelope has committed a terrible crime, and is facing the consequences.
She said she was prepared to, so hopefully that will bouy her up for the next 18 years.

I agree with another poster gender should not come into it. Any verdict should be based on evidence. The jurors and Judge are the people best placed to decide. Just because you are a female does not mean that you are incapable of committing awful crimes as past history has shown us.

Some of you may find this interesting when saying men can be victims too

Yes they can but statistically it MUCH less likely

Domestic abuse perpetrated by men against women is rooted in women’s unequal status in society and is part of the wider social problem of male violence against women and girls. We found in our research with the University of Bristol that sexism and misogyny set the scene for male abusive partners’ coercive and controlling behaviours. Sexism and misogyny serve to excuse abusive behaviour by men in intimate relationships with women and put up barriers to female survivors being believed and supported to leave abusive men

Over the three-year period April 2016 to March 2019, a total of 222 women were killed by a partner or ex-partner. The majority of suspects were male (218, 98%). This means that during this time period, an average of three women every fortnight were murdered by their male partner or ex-partner. (ONS, 2020B)

The large majority of defendants in domestic abuse-related prosecutions in the year ending March 2020 were recorded as male (92%) and the majority of the victims recorded as female (77%, compared with compared with 16% who were male). The sex of the victim was not recorded in 7% of prosecutions. If these missing data were excluded from analysis, then it would be 82% female victims and 18% male victims

Please not the male victims are mainly domestically abused by other men

Atqui

She was obviously deranged when police turned up. Who knows what kind of people picked at random were on the jury or if the judge was a misogynistic bigot! The justice system needs looking into- so many sentences are illogical or do I mean inconsistent ? None of us knows all the background to this case but for many it must be a case of “There but for the grace of god go I”

Having read all about her and her four marriages it should be the husband ( now murdered) that we should feel sorry for.
Also the husband (number three) who she admits she drove to suicide through her behaviour.
I think the sentence was appropriate.Has anyone listened to the 999 call??

But isn’t this thread about the Penelope Jackson murder trial?

Sorry my comment relates to the post from janejudge.

Gwyneth

But isn’t this thread about the Penelope Jackson murder trial?

Yes, that is why discussion of male victims of domestic abuse is relevant.

It is rarer but it does happen although 50 years ago, when we found our male neighbour was the one being abused by his wife, we were astonished.

We will probably never know the truth about their marriage in this case because one is dead and the other in prison and we only would ever hear her side of the story anyway.

Just been reading about the case in the Western Daily Press. I think there was a lot more in the evidence than has been told. The prosecutor said it wasn’t an easy case.

Why accuse the judge who was there and heard the evidence of being a misogynist? Unless you were there or have read the trial transcript what gives anyone the right to judge the judge at this stage? Presumably Penelope Jackson can appeal.

We had a neighbour who regularly abused her husband physically Me too Callistemon and never in a million years would you have suspected it. I still think of him now and wonder if he managed to escape.

lemongrove I was trying to be reasonably open minded . There are so many sentences handed out for various crimes that are not consistent with others. As far as a jury is concerned ,
how do we know what their experience of life is, or their prejudices, or dare I say it even their intelligence to understand and interpret the evidence.
As to the number of marriages I believe the victim was not on his first marriage.
I think there should be more than one judge deciding on the sentence

I did not say the judge WASmisogynistic , I think I said he may have been

..... 'I believe the victim was not on his first marriage..'....

That's correct,..... his first wife died of cancer!

And when s they started their affair he was married I believe

But as I said I don’t presume to know the all the background . Does anyone?

The most shocked I’ve ever been with a domestic violence incident was when my long time male friend moved in with a lady who practised Buddhism. They got into an argument about something stupid and she hit him over the head so hard with a wooden stool that knocked him out.
He still had the dent in his head until the day he died.

Here's a little bit, just to correct those who have the facts wrong.

The jury heard David Jackson had two daughters and a son from his first marriage, which ended when he began an affair with his second wife, Sheila Taylor.

The victim's marriage to Ms Taylor then ended when he started his affair with Jackson.

Atqui

But as I said I don’t presume to know the all the background . Does anyone?

No. Except for the 2 people that were there and one of them is dead.

Not that any of the above has any bearing on the crime that was committed, by the way.

Given how many 'guilty' people are later found innocent, I can't say that I have 100% faith in a judgement like this.

But I don't know the facts.

Even when we think we know the facts, it's not always so clear cut.

We had neighbours who regularly had blazing rows. The police turned up on many occasions. In fact, I think we had every emergency service there over the years including a search helicopter!
From what we heard through the walls (no choice in a terraced house ), it sounded like he abused her, but I have it on very good authority that she was the one with a violent record in the past.

I wouldn't like to have been the judge should one of them ever have been in court charged with attacking or, heaven forbid, murdering the other.

How many people convicted by jury are later found innocent Mamacaz?

I’ve tried to find out on the web but it’s difficult to get a clear picture as the statistics include Magistrates Courts for things like fines and traffic offences, not jury convictions.

Please can you post the relevant information or a link.

Was her name Tracey andrews who killed her boyfriend with a knife many years ago they found the bloodstained mark down her boots Perhaps I ve remembered the name wrong