Is Macron sabre rattling?

Actually I expect this post will be ignored. That’s the usual tactic when somebody poses a difficult question or points out a fact that challenges.

A few months ago you were Gnet expert on the woes of Lincolnshire's natives kept in poverty by the unfair practices of farmers employing cheap labour from the EU. Now you're the fisheries expert. I think it would be helpful if you would cite your sources...

There you go the ˋBrexit mob´. I rest my case.

What case would that be, Lincslass?

I’m interested to know why those so impassioned about about the plight of French fishermen were not bothered at all about British fishermen when the EU allocated 85% of the cod catch of the North Sea to France and destroyed the livelihoods of many.

a) I didn’t know
b) I think it’s right that France should have had the bulk of the quota
c) I don’t care about British fishermen
d) Whatever the EU does is fine by me
e) to protest would have meant I had to argue against my political deals

Actually I expect this post will be ignored. That’s the usual tactic when somebody poses a difficult question or points out a fact that challenges.

MaizieD

^Of course Macron is sabre rattling, it plays well to a home audience with elections fast approaching^

Johnson is doing exactly the same thing, for the same reasons. He's throwing the Brexit mob a bit of raw meat. We can see on this thread how well it plays to their xenophobia.

And if you had read the thread you would see why some of the tiny boats involved have had problems.

Also, the TCA, (not completed until Dec. 2020, I was a year out) didn't specify what the conditions for licences would be. So even that didn't help the French fishers.

There you go the ˋBrexit mob´. I rest my case.

Mmm. Tiny boats.

The term was small boat, which is anything under 64ft. If you’re thinking of those little boats you see at night on the Mediterranean then think again.

The 14 miles of sea between France and Jersey is deep and turbulent. Nobody that knew the sea would venture out there in a tiny boat.

As for no gps. Any fishing boat will have GPS to enable them to locate catches. They won’t last long in business if they don’t.
Or if you don’t accept that, every mobile phone has GPS.

It’s a romantic notion of tiny boats with the humble fisherman venturing out to net a few fish. Not the reality though. Still it’ll deceive some who know nothing about fishing.

lemongrove

Nonsense....we don’t have elections coming up.

Could be one at any time, lemon. He needs to keep the voters keen in case he wants a snap election.

Nonsense....we don’t have elections coming up.

Of course Macron is sabre rattling, it plays well to a home audience with elections fast approaching

Johnson is doing exactly the same thing, for the same reasons. He's throwing the Brexit mob a bit of raw meat. We can see on this thread how well it plays to their xenophobia.

And if you had read the thread you would see why some of the tiny boats involved have had problems.

Also, the TCA, (not completed until Dec. 2020, I was a year out) didn't specify what the conditions for licences would be. So even that didn't help the French fishers.

Loved the comment from George Eustace that the fishing agreement was signed as part of the Brexit agreement - oh the irony?

Scones

MerylStreep

I know it’s not what some wished to see, but hey, that’s politics for you.

I think it's exactly what a lot of people wished for....that our leaders and their staff could talk it over sensibly and come to a solution.

Ah but no, some on GN want to sabre rattle... and more.

At the end of the day, the UK is in a very very weak position in the real world, with the whole of Europe united, with the support of the USA, and control of the ports and all exports and imports- with a lot of essential stuff we NEED (like water purifying chemicals, as just one of the examples- and a lot more). So huffing and puffing, and shouting 'HE started it ...' is not going to be very helpful, really.

Hmmm, funny that MaizieD because most of the French fishermen have been able to find evidence to prove they have been fishing long enough to receive their licences.Others either haven’t bothered or haven’t been fishing there for long enough.The UK has granted many licences, Jersey less so, but French boats just need to meet the requirements.
Of course Macron is sabre rattling, it plays well to a home audience with elections fast approaching.

Matt nails it yet again!

Five years? Really?

So, when, exactly, were they informed of the conditions they would need to satisfy to obtain licences? Considering that the TCA was only negotiated and signed in 2019 and until then no one, in any business, had a clue what the arrangements would be.

MaizieD

Lincslass

vegansrock

Let’s face it the Brexit debacle has given the green light to anti-anyone- foreign xenophobes to voice their opinion of millions of people as in “ the French”, “the Germans”, “the Italians” etc as if everyone of a certain nationality can be lumped together.

Well to be fair and honest. Many of you on here clump all British and our nation in the same way, with disdain and ridicule. If it comes to the crunch I will back my country and it’s people over any foreign President, French, German whatever.

What are you talking about? Most of us on here are British.

I'm afraid though, that I don't subscribe to 'My country right or wrong'.

I don't like my country picking silly fights with its neighbours.

Pardon, who picked the fight. These fishermen have had 5 years, yes five to produce proof of fishing, but no they carry on as if nothing has changed. France has been given more licences to fish than the rest of the EU. Wonder why it’s only Macron whinging on.

Scones

What Macron actually said -
"Since this afternoon, discussions have resumed on the basis of a proposal I made to Prime Minister (Boris) Johnson.

'The talks need to continue. We'll see where we are tomorrow at the end of the day, to see if things have really changed.'

Which in the language of the Daily Mail translates as 'backed down'.

Yes, in the face of legal action from the UK.

MerylStreep

I know it’s not what some wished to see, but hey, that’s politics for you.

I think it's exactly what a lot of people wished for....that our leaders and their staff could talk it over sensibly and come to a solution.

Chewbacca ?

What Macron actually said -
"Since this afternoon, discussions have resumed on the basis of a proposal I made to Prime Minister (Boris) Johnson.

'The talks need to continue. We'll see where we are tomorrow at the end of the day, to see if things have really changed.'

Which in the language of the Daily Mail translates as 'backed down'.

I know it’s not what some wished to see, but hey, that’s politics for you.

What silly language.

What is? "Sabre rattling" do you mean?

Not my words.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10154265/Macron-BACKS-midnight-deadline-retaliating-against-UK-fishing-rights-row.html

What silly language.

I see Macron has backed down.

If you are going to rattle sabres, make sure you don't sell them all your essential utilities and services first!

It’s Jersey that issues the licences for their waters, not the UK.

The threat to cut off all power didn’t really leave them with much choice. Hospital, schools, homes.