Headline in the Daily Mail (I know) suggest that finally Brexit may be over ...

Cameron was criminally irresponsible

It should never have been possible to alter the UK condtitution on any minority vote.

Boz

I feel that if the winners of the referendum should have been bound by a rule to have a certain percentage of the vote to win e.g. 70% , Brexit would not have been so divisive.

Perhaps, but not so sure about it.
Cameron said that even one vote would swing it...but in the end it was over a million votes that did so.

MaizieD

lemongrove

The opposite of the ones mentioned by Lilyflower for a start.
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Yet another strikingly illuminating contribution to the debate lemon...

Yet another ‘kind’ contribution to the debate.?

I feel that if the winners of the referendum should have been bound by a rule to have a certain percentage of the vote to win e.g. 70% , Brexit would not have been so divisive.

It would have been declared invalid, not just because of the lies but also because of the proven cheating and foreign interference but it was not cancelled because it was only advisory.

You can't fool all of the people all of the time but the leave liars showed they could fool just enough of the people on that one day. A great cause for celebration in the Kremlin

Brexit will never be over as the ramifications from what leave and the Tories have done to this country are far reaching

As someone who fought for the 2nd referendum and we were let down by certain mps in parliament on this (One in particular and it is not JC) with the remain alliances I can tell you now we reflected, regrouped and are still very much together as rejoin alliances now.

I belong to the pan European party of VOLT, the return to Europe alliances run by Andrew Adonis and other pro Europe mps still sitting or otherwise.

I also belong to a local alliance. Thus hasn't gone away nor will. We are accepting that this will take years to do. It won't happen overnight.

The ramifications of Brexit are becoming clearer by the day. The farming, fishing, trade, hospitality and the majority of industries are feeling it now. Many are losing businesses

It seems project fear as become project reality now to those who voted leave. Perhaps this had to happen for people to see the truth.

Unfair that we all have to suffer for something that was never legally binding in the first place and would have been cancelled in law if it had of been because of the lies

Geordie Greig who has edited the Daily Mail for the last three years has been booted out presumably for lack of blind loyalty to Boris and Brexit.

As the OP says it has come to an extreme point for the DM to dare to criticise our corrupt and incompetent government.

I expect the new editor will be far more of a brexiteztremist so it can return to business as usual.

The Guardian all the time
Truth will out

The Guardian all the way
Truth will out

UK Brexit losses are more than 178 times bigger than any gains from Boris Johnson’s new trade deals, according to the government’s own figures.

The tiny economic boost – amounting to just 0.01 to 0.02 per cent of GDP, and less than 50p per person a year – is dwarfed by the economic hit from leaving the EU, which the government estimates at 4 per cent of GDP over the same period.

According to analysis commissioned by The Independent from top academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory, the much-trumpeted free trade agreements (FTAs) “barely scratch the surface of the UK’s challenge to make up the GDP lost by leaving the EU”.

Mr Johnson has boasted of the deals creating a “new dawn” and representing “global Britain at its best” – but just two of the dozens announced since the UK left the EU are expected to have any measurable economic impact at all.

Official estimates from the Office for Budget Responsibility point to a Brexit loss of more than £1,250 per person over the coming years – more than 178 times the most optimistic prediction for the benefits from the trade deals.

The analysis notes that the vast majority of FTAs announced by the government – such as those with South Korea, Singapore, or Vietnam – are simply attempts to replace treaties that those countries have with the EU, which Britain previously enjoyed as a member.

“They add nothing to UK trade, and, because they are not perfect replicas, actually harm it very slightly,” wrote top trade economist Professor L Alan Winters, who conducted the analysis with Guillermo Larbalestier, the centre’s research officer.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-losses-more-than-178-times-bigger-than-trade-deal-gains-research-300370/

lemongrove

The opposite of the ones mentioned by Lilyflower for a start.
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Yet another strikingly illuminating contribution to the debate lemon...

“Brexit Losses 178 times more than gains “ - report in The Independent - so much for global Britain then

sandwichgeneration Nothing has "gone wrong" with Gransnet. People are entitled to express their opinions, but they should be prepared to defend them if challenged. It's inevitable that some people express themselves more forcibly than others. If you think Twitter is "friendlier", maybe you should consider it as a more natural home. "Kinder" can lead to anodyne and dull group think.

sandwichgeneration Nothing has "gone wrong" with Gransnet. People are entitled to express their opinions, but they should be prepared to defend them if challenged. It's inevitable that some people express themselves more forcibly than others. If you think Twitter is "friendlier", maybe you should consider it as a more natural home. "Kinder" can lead to anodyne and dull group think.

Once again, people being unpleasant to each other: "patronising, judgemental" and "You have been saying the ‘very fast’ remark about the political demise of Johnson virtually ever since he came to power. Only you has ever said it btw." It's friendlier on Twitter! Gransnet, what has gone wrong recently? Perhaps those who oversee this can sort it out? As Mumsnet has become kinder, Gransnet has gone in the other direction. Such a shame.

Gabrielle56

Gawd don't folks get their knickers in a twist about some dodgy rags?! Personally I dgaf about news hacks they're in process of becoming extinct anyway. Online BBC for headlines -nowhere else for some eejits opinions!

The problem is the number of guillible voters who read thes dodgy rags and vote as directed.

Actually Tickingbird, my sarcasm was the bit that was missed...

Yeah right…..

Gawd don't folks get their knickers in a twist about some dodgy rags?! Personally I dgaf about news hacks they're in process of becoming extinct anyway. Online BBC for headlines -nowhere else for some eejits opinions!

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I subscribe to Byline Times which has been set up by independent journalists

Lilyflower come on now.
~Authoritarian seizure of Covid powers and reluctance to cede them~ - are the other nations of the UK forcing NHS and care staff to be vaccinated - no.
~Tax hikes~ - did you miss the budget a couple of weeks ago?
~Carbon Zero~ - well done the Left, it has to be done
~Wokery~ - how terrible that minorities are listened to and treated as equals
~Failure to act decisively to deter extreme activism~ - I have no idea what you mean by this, are you harking back to Jeremy Corbyn?
~Havering about border controls.~Nobody could have made more of a cock up with border controls than the current government have done, both with Northern Ireland and Europe.
You say that you haven’t seen much evidence of the Conservatives shifting to the right - how about blatant disregard for the democratic process? .

“You’ve rather missed the point. The DM invited them to sue but they didn’t because they were guilty. It was an excellent move by the DM who were instrumental in bringing them to justice. Pity they didn’t do the same for the murderers of Kriss Donald. Although thankfully they are serving life and I hope it is life too.”

Actually Tickingbird, my sarcasm was the bit that was missed...

The opposite of the ones mentioned by Lilyflower for a start.
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lemongrove

Lilyflower

I haven’t seen much evidence of the Conservative shifting to the right. Authoritarian seizure of Covid powers and reluctance to cede them, tax hikes, Carbon Zero, wokery, failure to act decisively to deter extremist activism, havering about border controls and so on are all left wing.

Yes, I was thinking that too Lilyflower

Blimey! Just blimey

What an interesting interpretation!

What would you both consider to be extreme right wing, then?

Lilyflower

I haven’t seen much evidence of the Conservative shifting to the right. Authoritarian seizure of Covid powers and reluctance to cede them, tax hikes, Carbon Zero, wokery, failure to act decisively to deter extremist activism, havering about border controls and so on are all left wing.

How do you define left-wing?