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Keeping Royal Secrets

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Alegrias1 Sun 21-Nov-21 09:57:51

We are often told on here that despite the financial or democratic problems with the system, having a Royal Family provides continuity and something to fall back in in times of crisis, such as pandemics. So what do we think of this quote from the Sunday Herald this morning, regarding whether certain Royal papers should be released. In this case it should be noted that the papers already belong to belong to the tax payer but we’re not allowed to see the content.

Protecting the dignity of the Queen and working members of the royal family by protecting their privacy in truly private matters preserves their ability to discharge their duties in their fundamental and central constitutional role, not least of unifying the nations (as was seen during the depths of the current pandemic). Roger Smethurst, head of knowledge and information at the Cabinet Office.

On other words, if we know what they were really like in private, we’d never be taken in by their idealised images. They need to keep some things secret because they don’t fit with the image they want to portray.

Thoughts?

Calistemon Wed 24-Nov-21 22:07:35

MaizieD

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree Maizie. I doubt that anyone who keeps a diary with an eye on possible future publication would expect it to be put into the public realm without judicious editing.

Or they just wouldn't write it in the first place. Unless they had malicious intent...

I've shredded my teenage diaries just in case
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Calistemon Wed 24-Nov-21 22:06:50

Casdon
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Anniebach Wed 24-Nov-21 22:03:09

? Casdon

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 24-Nov-21 21:46:53

?Casdon

Casdon Wed 24-Nov-21 21:32:37

The biggest myth is surely that the majority of people hold the same views as Grany?

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 24-Nov-21 21:27:29

I’m sure you are dying to tell us Grany, whether we want to know or not.

Grany Wed 24-Nov-21 20:32:17

What are the most common myths about the monarchy?

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 24-Nov-21 14:25:23

I’m sure some people write things down in diaries to get them off their chest, vent their anger or frustration, rather than saying something which would cause irreparable upset, and never mean anyone else to read what they’ve written.

MaizieD Wed 24-Nov-21 14:21:33

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree Maizie. I doubt that anyone who keeps a diary with an eye on possible future publication would expect it to be put into the public realm without judicious editing.

Or they just wouldn't write it in the first place. Unless they had malicious intent...

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 24-Nov-21 12:35:46

I agree Maizie. I doubt that anyone who keeps a diary with an eye on possible future publication would expect it to be put into the public realm without judicious editing.

MaizieD Wed 24-Nov-21 12:31:41

Lucca

I wonder if, given he was such a prominent figure, he had in mind to publish his diaries as a book has he lived ? Pure speculation obviously

But everybody kept diaries in the days when Mountbatten was keeping his. Diaries of significant, and insignificant, people have been published (suitably edited sometimes) for decades. And hugely valued by historians as a primary source.

You rightly say, it's speculation, Lucca, but I wouldn't think that he would have spent much time thinking that something he did as a matter of course might be published. If he did think about future publication, I would also think that he would have tried to keep any potentially damaging revelations out of it. He was deeply involved with the RF, after all. Why would he want to tarnish them?

theworriedwell Wed 24-Nov-21 11:50:50

Grany

The royals are openly bullying the
@BBCNews
in an attempt to make them more compliant. This is disgraceful behaviour that needs to be challenged.

Wills &Kate Bin BBC

They have chosen ITV to broadcast their carol service charity event. If they have to choose one why shouldn't it be ITV? The BBC doesn't have some automatic right to it. Do we acuse sports organisations of bullying the BBC if their sport is shown on ITV, or channel 4 or Sky.

Anniebach Wed 24-Nov-21 09:56:42

He wrote this in 2012

But in a 2012 column, he criticised the way the media portrayed the royals and voiced his dislike for the 'absurd' monarchy.

He wrote: 'When it comes to our absurd monarchy, journalists are so bamboozled by aristocratic wealth that they can only portray a confected picture to their audience.

'"Mrs Wales – spare us from the 'Duchess of Cambridge" – is a beautiful lady, and does noble work. But like the rest of us she is prone to bad moods and bad breath, and doesn't look her best on a hangover.

'You wouldn't know that from media coverage of her. What you get is an idol, not a person.

Forsythia Wed 24-Nov-21 09:49:06

lemsip

amol rajan the nasty little man who lead the bbc in The Princes and the Press .Meghan's mouthpiece! Her friends and lawyer having their say but the Royals denied any part of it by the Bbc. Amol Rajan an out and out republican of course!

Sorry, I copied the wrong link before. Meant to say agreed here!

Forsythia Wed 24-Nov-21 09:48:05

Forsythia

I don’t agree that they are bullying the BBC. They are asking for equal and fair treatment. They didn’t get it on that programme.

Agreed.

Forsythia Wed 24-Nov-21 09:47:33

I don’t agree that they are bullying the BBC. They are asking for equal and fair treatment. They didn’t get it on that programme.

lemsip Wed 24-Nov-21 09:46:54

amol rajan the nasty little man who lead the bbc in The Princes and the Press .Meghan's mouthpiece! Her friends and lawyer having their say but the Royals denied any part of it by the Bbc. Amol Rajan an out and out republican of course!

Grany Wed 24-Nov-21 08:46:33

The royals are openly bullying the
@BBCNews
in an attempt to make them more compliant. This is disgraceful behaviour that needs to be challenged.

Wills &Kate Bin BBC

Treetops05 Tue 23-Nov-21 15:43:46

They may be Royal, but they are human beings too - and everyone has a human right to some privacy

Lucca Tue 23-Nov-21 12:55:28

Alegrias1

This analogy strategy of mine isn't really working, is it? sad

Nope. It was good though !!

Lucca Tue 23-Nov-21 12:55:00

I wonder if, given he was such a prominent figure, he had in mind to publish his diaries as a book has he lived ? Pure speculation obviously

Alegrias1 Tue 23-Nov-21 12:52:42

This analogy strategy of mine isn't really working, is it? sad

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 23-Nov-21 12:47:55

It was pretty malicious stuff apparently, hidden behind a kindly facade. Her nephew, who also lived in the village, was pretty shocked It would have done no-one any good to have known what she wrote about them. I prefer to remember the pleasant side and let the dead rest in peace. We can’t possibly know if Mountbatten intended his diaries to be read by others. What he wrote could have been influenced by an intention that it was for his eyes only.

Calistemon Tue 23-Nov-21 12:41:05

Germanshepherdsmum

Many years ago I knew an elderly lady who seemed very nice but was known to keep a little black book recording what the village people did over many years. After she died her nephew was horrified by what she had written about her neighbours and burned it. You would never have dreamed that such a kindly lady would write about her ‘friends’ in the way she did.

At least she just wrote it down and didn't spread malicious gossip around the village!

Villages, eh! Such goings-on. Rather like The Casual Vacancy

Calistemon Tue 23-Nov-21 12:39:33

Who'd have thought a person living in a village writing down what she thought about her neighbours in her little black book would have had so much power and influence?

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