If Peppa Pig is now the symbol of global Britain, what have you got to lose Mr Farage?

eh?

Liberals naively assume all people are the same and want the same things in life. Go to a Christmas market and see police with rifles and concrete anti jihad barriers. Is it worth it?

But he had a bomb - I don’t care what his motive was, that makes him a terrorist

No, actually it makes him a man with a bomb. Terrorism is something else: Terrorism is, in its broadest sense, the unlawful use of intentional violence to achieve political aims.

You can protest all you like, but people can wear what they like and have any colour of skin, and it is not acceptable to suspect them of terrorism and they should not "expect to be challenged". Being vigilant does not mean suspecting anybody just because they are a bit brown and you don't like the message on their t-shirt. It is not understandable, that is the point. It is discrimination.

I never saw the T-shirt, but the pilot told us it was bought in a high street shop. Terrorists, I suspect, don't buy t-shirts that mark them out as terrorists from high street shops.

growstuff

Unless anybody has any further details, we have no idea whether this man was a terrorist. Yes, he had a brown face. So what? For all I know, he had a grudge against women, which is why his target was a woman's hospital.

If you're going to follow that reasoning, you might as well condemn anybody for having similar characteristics to any criminal. I do not think that everybody with a brown face is an enemy.

But he had a bomb - I don’t care what his motive was, that makes him a terrorist and but for the actions of that taxi driver it could have been much worse. We’re asked to be vigilant, we’re asked to report if we’re suspicious. We’re not told what was on the t shirt, but if you get on a plane in this day and age with a slogan that can be taken that way, then you have to expect to be challenged - whatever colour you are. I’m not for one minute condoning treating all brown people, or any other colour for that matter, as possible terrorists, all I’m saying is that up to a point it’s understandable. And for that I’m called a racist.

No Maudi, what you keep posting is not ok. Your comments are repellent, even more so from someone who claims to have mixed race grandchildren. Your flippant definition of Oops is not funny.

Lincslass it’s the assumption that we should ‘never mind France’. Parochial, ill informed and frankly embarrassing. More generally I’m shocked at the lack of compassion on this thread for people who are so desperate to make better lives for themselves and their families that they see no option but to risk their lives on an overcrowded small boat to get here. The numbers are a drop in the ocean compared with the UK population.

I have mixed race grandchildren myself, Indian and Asian but colour of skin is not the issue in my opinion to this discussion and sly little digs insinuating posters who you don't agree with you as racist is not OK.

Casdon

Lincslass now you have really shocked me.
In fact, I can’t believe the attitudes of some of the posters on this thread, I feel ashamed to be from the UK.

Please do elaborate, why because I agree France has never really helped, or that money paid to them could be better used here. Or because I said what about the impact on us rather than France. Which on is it.

Alegrias1

I have no sympathy at all with people who consider others to be suspicious because they look a bit foreign or because they don't like their t-shirt.

That, I'm afraid, is the definition of discrimination.

Ah! "I'm not a racist but ..."

Alegrias1

Here's a wee story...

I was on a plane a couple of years ago when take off got delayed. I was reading my book but eventually noticed people going up and down the aisle in a state of excitement. A young man went past, then a girl who turned out to be his girlfriend went past in floods of tears.

Turned out he was wearing a t-shirt which some bogans (sorry, but its true) at the back of the plane took exception to because they thought wearing it made him a terrorist. He had to take it off and put on another one. The woman next to me said it was a disgrace - he and his girlfriend should be taken off the plane

The pilot came on and told us he was perfectly satisfied that this was a normal passenger who had bought a t-shirt in a High Street shop, but anybody who thought they didn't want to be on the same plane as him were perfectly entitled to get off and buy themselves another flight.

What is the moral of my story?

That picking on people who are a bit brown and who make us uncomfortable for entirely spurious reasons cannot be allowed to become acceptable.

Indeed!

My daughter's partner has a brown face. I'm embarrassed when my daughter tells me some of the treatment he gets when they're travelling.

I have no sympathy at all with people who consider others to be suspicious because they look a bit foreign or because they don't like their t-shirt.

That, I'm afraid, is the definition of discrimination.

Maudi

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exclamationINFORMAL
used to show recognition of a mistake or minor accident, often as part of an apology.
"Oops! I'm sorry. I just made you miss your bus!"

But your mistake wasn't that minor!

Unless anybody has any further details, we have no idea whether this man was a terrorist. Yes, he had a brown face. So what? For all I know, he had a grudge against women, which is why his target was a woman's hospital.

If you're going to follow that reasoning, you might as well condemn anybody for having similar characteristics to any criminal. I do not think that everybody with a brown face is an enemy.

7 years.

Lincslass now you have really shocked me.
In fact, I can’t believe the attitudes of some of the posters on this thread, I feel ashamed to be from the UK.

What is the moral of my story?

That picking on people who are a bit brown and who make us uncomfortable for entirely spurious reasons cannot be allowed to become acceptable.

I’m sure the taxi driver whose passenger was the Liverpool bomber was uncomfortable - was he picking on him when he locked him in the taxi and fled ? I’m not trying to be facetious but this kind of thing happens because people are nervous and finding out that an asylum seeker has been allowed to stay in the country for thirteen years after his application has been denied doesn’t help.

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Definitions from Oxford Languages
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oops
/uːps,ʊps/
Learn to pronounce
exclamationINFORMAL
used to show recognition of a mistake or minor accident, often as part of an apology.
"Oops! I'm sorry. I just made you miss your bus!"

Here's a wee story...

I was on a plane a couple of years ago when take off got delayed. I was reading my book but eventually noticed people going up and down the aisle in a state of excitement. A young man went past, then a girl who turned out to be his girlfriend went past in floods of tears.

Turned out he was wearing a t-shirt which some bogans (sorry, but its true) at the back of the plane took exception to because they thought wearing it made him a terrorist. He had to take it off and put on another one. The woman next to me said it was a disgrace - he and his girlfriend should be taken off the plane

The pilot came on and told us he was perfectly satisfied that this was a normal passenger who had bought a t-shirt in a High Street shop, but anybody who thought they didn't want to be on the same plane as him were perfectly entitled to get off and buy themselves another flight.

What is the moral of my story?

That picking on people who are a bit brown and who make us uncomfortable for entirely spurious reasons cannot be allowed to become acceptable.

lemongrove

They were coming over in droves when we did have the ‘goodwill’ as you term it from our neighbours and partners.The camps in Calais and other places were there for years with the migrants trying any way they could to get here.
They certainly didn’t wish to stay in France! Still don’t.

Very true, no cooperation then, definitely non now, even though we are paying millions to them for their help, when the Gendarmes stand around and watch people get into those unsafe boats. Stop paying the French anything, money could be used here to process the arrivals more quickly.

Casdon

Is it okay then to leave them all ‘in the safety of France’ as the delightful Mr F says? Talk about an I’m alright Jack attitude, which completely disregards the desperate plight these people are in, and the impact on France.

What about the impact on us, never mind France.

SCHOOL bosses dismissed parents as 'racist' when they complained about an adult asylum seeker enrolling as a 15-year-old, it has been claimed.The man - reportedly from Iran - was exposed as an adult after classmates accused him of being 30.He spent six-weeks pretending to be a year 11 student before being suspended and threatened with deportation.A dad of two girls at the school said yesterday: "I went in [to] complain but I was fobbed off.

No Riverwalk,there won't be a link because this is patently untrue. Somebody's grandma heard it from a neighbour who knew a person who had a cousin who worked with a person who was told this by someone who cleans their sister in law's house. These myths, or lies as some of us call them, just spread and nobody challenges it. We have read the malicious nonsense spread by a GN member who just said "oops" when called out on it.

Boz

Correct me if I'm wrong but do immigrant families get priority for social housing?
I recently heard of a case, from a bitter grandma, of her granddaughter and young family being allocated a council house. The offer was then rescinded because the Council needed it to house an immigrant family.
You can understand the bitterness.

Do you have a link for this case?

Boz

Correct me if I'm wrong but do immigrant families get priority for social housing?
I recently heard of a case, from a bitter grandma, of her granddaughter and young family being allocated a council house. The offer was then rescinded because the Council needed it to house an immigrant family.
You can understand the bitterness.

This is incorrect. Yet more racist inspired malicious nonsense.

Maudi

GillT57 this is a public forum I'm posting my views if you don't agree well that's your problem.

Views, fine. But totally misleading and incorrect “facts and figures”??
Those figures needed you to correct them, not just a random “oops