Stand off drowning migrants and report – or face prosecution, sailors warned

Well I’m not.
We shall have to agree to disagree on this topic then Alegrias.

How much does the UK spend on asylum seekers? It would be useful to know.

Above my pay grade WWmk2 I’m afraid.
But this sure as hell isn't working.

We have a broken service.
Not fit for purpose.

Yes Urmstongran I am.

Urmstongran

The £39 a week is for their personal needs.
Paid for by us taxpayers I may say.
Bed, board and 3 meals a day provided free. Well to them.

The full cost, plus legal aid (for numerous appeals) plus medical and dental care and attention is of course again, down to us.
Add in translators where necessary, extra clothing, bedding. Blankets, pillows, washing thereof (laundry), heating in winter, the expense of Border Control staff guiding them in safely, on a daily basis for months on end.
Down to us.

Naturally this will be done. And is being done. We are a humanitarian country.

But all this costs a great deal of money. It’s not ‘free’.

You get my drift.

No, they have to buy food out of the £39.

I take it you’re happy to continue paying for all this out of your taxes ad infinitum then Alegrias?

Some people on SKY news and the BBC think we ought to be running a regular ferry service now too. Just to be safe.

Perhaps twice a week at first and see how the demand goes?

Urmstongran

The £39 a week is for their personal needs.
Paid for by us taxpayers I may say.
Bed, board and 3 meals a day provided free. Well to them.

The full cost, plus legal aid (for numerous appeals) plus medical and dental care and attention is of course again, down to us.
Add in translators where necessary, extra clothing, bedding. Blankets, pillows, washing thereof (laundry), heating in winter, the expense of Border Control staff guiding them in safely, on a daily basis for months on end.
Down to us.

Naturally this will be done. And is being done. We are a humanitarian country.

But all this costs a great deal of money. It’s not ‘free’.

You get my drift.

So imagine you had the decision as to what to do with a family of husband, wife and a couple of toddlers.

How would you tackle it?

Oh yes Urmstongram. We definitely get your drift.

The £39 a week is for their personal needs.
Paid for by us taxpayers I may say.
Bed, board and 3 meals a day provided free. Well to them.

The full cost, plus legal aid (for numerous appeals) plus medical and dental care and attention is of course again, down to us.
Add in translators where necessary, extra clothing, bedding. Blankets, pillows, washing thereof (laundry), heating in winter, the expense of Border Control staff guiding them in safely, on a daily basis for months on end.
Down to us.

Naturally this will be done. And is being done. We are a humanitarian country.

But all this costs a great deal of money. It’s not ‘free’.

You get my drift.

Some more facts about asylum seekers to the UK:

fullfact.org/immigration/why-do-migrants-and-asylum-seekers-want-come-uk/

Eritreans are more likely to speak English than any other European language, which explains why some want to come to the UK. Nevertheless, the most popular destination is Germany.

When compared against EU member states, in 2020 the UK ranked 7th in the absolute number of people to whom it gave protection, including resettled refugees.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/

Visgir1

Germanshepherdsmum

Can someone explain to me why asylum seekers (political or economic) are so desperate to come to the UK that they will pay huge amounts to people smugglers and risk their and their families’ lives, despite passing through other perfectly safe countries in Europe? I accept that some may have family who are here legally but they must be a small minority. This is a genuine question to which I would like an answer. Please do not pile in on me for asking it.

I too find it difficult to understand.
If you are a genuine politic asylum seeker surely the first EU country you should claim asylum?
But these tragic people end up paying criminals to come to UK

I did read they believe its the land of free money and health care, no idea if that's true.
So unless they have family here why come?
So sad they put themselves at risk.

Those who took the money, who put them onto Boats overloaded today, let's hope their are found, and arrested for at least Manslaughter.
Those criminals are getting away now with Murder!

A bit of myth busting ...

www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.html

Asylum seekers are not desperate to come to the UK as their number 1 preference.

JenniferEccles

It’s a perfectly reasonable question Germanshepherd so certainly no piling in from me!

I think the answer has to be that we’re a soft touch.
Someone on another thread posted a link to the official government website for migrants which states what they’re will get in terms of money and accommodation.

It’s always been the stumbling block for those who claim the immigrants are all escaping war zones when they’ve travelled through several other countries to get here.

We need to make the Uk less attractive to them

Anybody who took the time to read the website would see they receive very little, so I'm not sure what your point is.

JenniferEccles

It’s a perfectly reasonable question Germanshepherd so certainly no piling in from me!

I think the answer has to be that we’re a soft touch.
Someone on another thread posted a link to the official government website for migrants which states what they’re will get in terms of money and accommodation.

It’s always been the stumbling block for those who claim the immigrants are all escaping war zones when they’ve travelled through several other countries to get here.

We need to make the Uk less attractive to them

How?

It’s a perfectly reasonable question Germanshepherd so certainly no piling in from me!

I think the answer has to be that we’re a soft touch.
Someone on another thread posted a link to the official government website for migrants which states what they’re will get in terms of money and accommodation.

It’s always been the stumbling block for those who claim the immigrants are all escaping war zones when they’ve travelled through several other countries to get here.

We need to make the Uk less attractive to them

To stop smuggling gangs they can be stopped immediately by giving people safe passage.

Speculation as to why people wish to seek asylum in the U.K. whilst an interesting discussion, does not alter the fact that they do.

As a civilised and one would hope a civilising nation, I would like to think that we treat them with respect and compassion.

£36 a week is not a lot - (impossible) to live on particularly if children are involved, which is why I think that a quick and efficient decision as to their status is necessary.

Same in England mokryna if you want citizenship or work. There are so many coming here, I can’t think many have family who are already here legally. I have no idea how many are eventually granted asylum but doubtless someone here will know.

Germanshepherdsmum

Can someone explain to me why asylum seekers (political or economic) are so desperate to come to the UK that they will pay huge amounts to people smugglers and risk their and their families’ lives, despite passing through other perfectly safe countries in Europe? I accept that some may have family who are here legally but they must be a small minority. This is a genuine question to which I would like an answer. Please do not pile in on me for asking it.

If it anything like me in France, to obtain the French nationality you have to speak and write French. To get a job you have to more often than not speak French. I would think this would apply to getting English documents and jobs.
Most of these desperate people want to be with their families in England. French officials have offered asylum in France but it is refused. They have travelled through many countries with this aim, they have already crossed blazing deserts and the Mediterranean Sea. It’s all or nothing

That’s the only conclusion I can come to Visgirl. I can see no other reason to take such a huge risk and spend so much money.

If you are a genuine politic asylum seeker surely the first EU country you should claim asylum? Most do that is why France and Germany have more asylum seekers than we do. I think the same is true of Italy/Greece/Spain.

We just get the spin not the full story.

So unless they have family here why come? Presumably some do have family here or friends or they speak English but don't speak French or have some other connection with Britain.

www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-02/navy-personnel-open-up-about-border-protection/5933260?nw=0&r=HtmlFragment

www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/10/siev-o19.html

I think the 2nd link is the one I heard about. No wonder sailors have PTSD.

I did read they believe its the land of free money and health care, no idea if that's true.

Where did you read this?

Germanshepherdsmum

Can someone explain to me why asylum seekers (political or economic) are so desperate to come to the UK that they will pay huge amounts to people smugglers and risk their and their families’ lives, despite passing through other perfectly safe countries in Europe? I accept that some may have family who are here legally but they must be a small minority. This is a genuine question to which I would like an answer. Please do not pile in on me for asking it.

I too find it difficult to understand.
If you are a genuine politic asylum seeker surely the first EU country you should claim asylum?
But these tragic people end up paying criminals to come to UK

I did read they believe its the land of free money and health care, no idea if that's true.
So unless they have family here why come?
So sad they put themselves at risk.

Those who took the money, who put them onto Boats overloaded today, let's hope their are found, and arrested for at least Manslaughter.
Those criminals are getting away now with Murder!

Please see Whitewavemark2 - that is what is needed I think. Yes I am extremely upset as I sit here in my warm house.