The foolishness of anti-vaxxers

Hope your daughter reported that side effect Sue?

A friend who works in ICU says that if you saw someone dying from Covid you would get vaccinated. It's a painful death.

Kandinsky

Haven’t got a problem with people not wanting the vaccine - maybe they’re worried about side effects?
People have died after being vaccinated.

My daughter gave birth to a 9lb baby less than twelve hours after being vaccinated.

Good post Mapleleaf.

Kandinsky
There are side effects from the vaccine, you are right. After my booster I had a sore arm and felt off colour for a day. Of course there are side effects from contracting Covid too, and one of them is death. I believe we’ve had about 140,000 Covid deaths in the UK. Have there been 140,000 deaths from the vaccines too?

My question to anti vaxxers who worry about chemicals being absorbed into their body from covid vaccines, is this - have they ever had any other chemicals absorbed into their bodies via, for eg, headache tablets, the contraceptive pill, ‘flu vaccines, anti histamines, antibiotics, rubella & TB vaccines, mumps vaccine, etc, etc, or have they refused these too because they believe them to be more damaging than the possible consequences of not having them?

Me?

Of course I’m being serious.
People have become seriously ill after these covid vaccines & some have sadly died.
That’s a good enough reason to not want the vaccine & no one should be forced into it.

I’m not anti vax myself but I totally understand where some of them are coming from.

Are you serious?

Haven’t got a problem with people not wanting the vaccine - maybe they’re worried about side effects?
People have died after being vaccinated.

I'm not sure about that, Franbern

The west have been sending vaccines to Africa. Uptake is low. The AZ vaccine had problems because the EU were reluctant to use it initially. So of course countries in Africa will have been reluctant as well

www.businessinsider.com/jen-psaki-says-south-africa-turned-down-us-offer-of-more-vaccine-doses-2021-11?r=US&IR=T

I am amazed as to how some people will try to use any excuse to ease their reactions about ensuring vaccines reach ALL countries in the world.

Rather an ironic laugh as to people here talking about the corrupt governments in other countries, when we have seen, over the past 18 months, some of the most corrupt practices here in UK by our national government resulting in millions/billions of pounds being taken from the public purse and distributed to heir mates.

Germanshepherdsmum

If governments are so corrupt that they will divert food and money sent to help their starving people (well documented) and use them for weaponry or to line their own pockets, what hope is there for vaccines reaching the people who desperately need them?

Just been reading about the former president of DRC - indicted for corruption and diverting millions in public funds to his own family. He’s predecessor was also corrupt - went on obscenely extravagant shopping trips to Paris on concord using public funds. These people have no regard for anything but money, so virtually no chance of any effective vaccine programme.

If governments are so corrupt that they will divert food and money sent to help their starving people (well documented) and use them for weaponry or to line their own pockets, what hope is there for vaccines reaching the people who desperately need them?

It's been mentioned that the EU are discussing mandatory vaccines

Allsprts NHS staff are not all currently vaccinated, April is 4 months away.

Our local NHS trust has declared patients cannot have visitors, (this time last year a dear friend was on life support, his wife could only visit to turn off the machine) yet the staff may not have had a single vaccine

It’s barbaric.

I am vaccinated twice as are most of my friends and family, however plenty of them still caught COVID.

We live in a democracy and should not be pressured to have a vaccine, it is dreadful that anyone could ever contemplate it being OK for any government to fine citizens for not having a vaccine.

I think that some people in the third world countries are reluctant to take them because the west has tried out various drugs on them, without them knowing what they are and what they are for.

Alegrias1

Germanshepherdsmum

And some governments are corrupt and will sell the vaccines on.

Any evidence for that GSM?

Anyway I don't care as long as somebody gets them.

Not sure I agree. There is evidence that some African governments are corrupt. I think it’s the responsibility of the richer nations to ensure reliable vaccine programmes for poorer countries otherwise we’re never going to be rid of Covid.

I think the only way to deal with anti vaxers is to make life as difficult as possible for them. Make vaccine proof mandatory for entry into all public venues, pubs, restaurants, clubs, cinemas, theatres, hotels, public transport etc,. Make it illegal to travel unvaccinated. Sooner or later it’s easier to get vaccinated.

GillT57

Very interesting photo! I am fairly relaxed about the non vaccinated to be honest, I am triple vaccinated, take sensible precautions without affecting the way I live my life and frankly, they are more at risk from me infecting them unwittingly than the other way round. There are tragic anomalies such as the blood clots mentioned, and I am sure if someone in my family suffered from a similar reaction I would have given a great deal of thought to my own vaccination decision. I am very strongly against any kind of punishment for non vaccination as it will just enforce alienation and potentially make heroes out of anti-vaxxers, and I honestly don't see how vaccination can be made compulsory; the inevitable end to that has to be the knock on the door and forcible injection and that is too dreadful to even think about. We all take chances with life; getting in a car, having a baby, climbing a mountain, refusing a vaccine, drinking one too many glasses of wine, and I really don't want to see some sort of morality panel deciding who qualifies for NHS treatment.

Well said, GillT57

i had a laugh when i read about the micro-chip to see what i got up to, well my twice weekly trips to morrisons and poundland both 3 mins from my home and rest of the time reading or watching youtube, they would fall asleep with boredom as for the anti-vaxxers i will never understand them, unless you have a medical reason for not getting the vaccine then you should be ashamed of yourself, i refused to be around certain family because there reason for not getting there jags was ....can't be bothered and i don't have time and this person has a small child with medical problems.

Sago, all NHS staff will be vaccinated by April. What do anti Vaxers fear they are going to get from the vaccine,?and Why. Why do they think they know better than the scientists? Are they not scared of dying in such a pain full way? Why do they prefer a self made prison to life? Do they think the nurses, consultants and doctors have all banded together to pedal lies, they have been vaccinated. They don’tmind NHS working, bus drivers, food producers, supermarkets and delivery drivers enabling tgem to work or stay at home are they really so much more valuable than all them. They should be refused entry to things, pubs and shops if not vaccinated for our protection.

Germanshepherdsmum

And some governments are corrupt and will sell the vaccines on.

Any evidence for that GSM?

Anyway I don't care as long as somebody gets them.

And some governments are corrupt and will sell the vaccines on.

Another problem in third world countries, though, along with not having enough vaccine, seems to be vaccine hesitancy as they don’t trust their governments.

It’s no use unless the countries receiving the vaccines distribute them and the people agree to be vaccinated. Both huge problems.

On a further point, re vaccinations
Surely, the only real way of dealing with this Pandemic is for ALL of the world to have full access to the vaccination programme.

As, at present comparative few numbers have this and the majority do not - this must lead to the increasing number of, and strengthening of the mutations of the virus.

We need to be clamouring for all First World countries to be sending many of these vaccinations to poorer countries. We really are one world and to beat this thing, needs to be on a one-world basis.