The leader has become a liability

Casdon

I tried to turn it back to Johnson a while ago lemongrove, I specifically asked you if you thought Johnson would survive as leader until the next election, but no answer from you as yet?

Did you...I hadn’t noticed.Just as you didn’t notice my post on the first page about Johnson.
Who knows? Remember the saying ‘ a week is a long time in politics’?
He will be popular until he isn’t.The Conservatives can just axe a leader ( if there is enough support for it) they don’t need all the messing about that the LP do ( who find it all but impossible to ditch a dummy).
The next year is the telling one, and to use yet another political quote ‘ events dear boy, events!’

PS lemongrove

It might be an idea to ask GN for a "No Brexit Zone" - there's already a No Corona Zone!

lemongrove

Well good for you Dickens but actually the OP isn’t about Brexit it’s about Johnson and wondering how popular he still is, but some posters can turn any thread on any subject back to Brexit and tediously do ( on a regular basis.)

Talking about Boris Johnson and omitting Brexit is like eating a cheese sandwich without the cheese - I think he wants to go down in history as the PM who took the UK out of the EU. He and Brexit are forever intertwined.

... and the original poster didn't specify that we couldn't talk about Brexit...

I tried to turn it back to Johnson a while ago lemongrove, I specifically asked you if you thought Johnson would survive as leader until the next election, but no answer from you as yet?

lemongrove

Well good for you Dickens but actually the OP isn’t about Brexit it’s about Johnson and wondering how popular he still is, but some posters can turn any thread on any subject back to Brexit and tediously do ( on a regular basis.)

No lemongrove, you can't avoid Brexit if we are discussing the performance of Johnson. Many on GN have admitted the chief reason they voted Tory/Johnson was because he was the only one who promised to "get Brexit done".

Well good for you Dickens but actually the OP isn’t about Brexit it’s about Johnson and wondering how popular he still is, but some posters can turn any thread on any subject back to Brexit and tediously do ( on a regular basis.)

Hear, hear lemongrove ??

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The UK still is great Kali or so think many of us who live here.
Which is why so many migrants make for our shores.

He also has a vast knowledge of Peppa Pig.

However unfortunately for some, I believe Boris will win out.

You say 'unfortunate for some' Urmstongran but I really wonder who will fortunate and benefit if the Conservatives win the next election with Boris at the helm?

Will Boris be a liability to us if he serves another term? As an ordinary person on a pension who uses the NHS and other state services, I fully expect to be worse off and to continue to feel like I'm having the mickey taken out of me by such things as holiday 'gifts' from rich people who want titles and the Downing Street Party for dozens of staff whilst ordinary folk received Covid fines for having a sandwich in a park.

Among his many other talents, Boris has proved to be the best ever recruiter for Scottish Independence. Latest poll for ITV has support for Independence at 55% 45% against. I believe that the huge swing in favour has resulted from canny Scots realising that they have a way out of the mess that the Conservative Government has created for the whole UK.

?MissA

Me neither.
The only people I've seen that from is people who say they "overheard" someone saying it.
Presumably said by someone in a string vest with a union jack tattoo on his meaty bicep.

The fact you want this appalling excuse of a man, who has proven to be such a liar and a liability in so so many ways - is just so unbelievable- and is of huge concern.

Because why would anyone wish to support such a liar and liability, who has caused so much pain and distress to so many, and 1000s of deaths too.

As said, it is no longer about 'a difference of opinion' it is about the destruction of our Parliamentary Democracy, Human Rights, the independence of the Judiciary, about kicking off the terrible Troubles, about the very reputation and trust re the UK, about the destruction of the NHS (and we have a really painful reminder on GN right now- just so so wrong)- and everthing the UK was so great, so much better, than most.

And if you voted for it- you will be asked to carry the can, and take responsibility for the consequences.

Kali2

And we have every democratic right to try and make sure Johnson, and the Tories, are not re-elected- which is what this thread is about (as some have reminded us before). Absolutely EVERY RIGHT.

If you are eligible to vote in the UK then you have the same right as I do ( or anyone else who can vote here.)

I think it’s pointless Urmstongran as some would bring a baking thread round to Brexit, it’s all they wish to talk about.

Over 5 million EU citizens applied to stay here, which was a surprise as it was thought there were only about 3 and a half million here in the first place.When Covid hit, many of those not applying chose to go home to their families (understandably) possibly more Eastern Europeans, as they were working in the care sector.Nothing to be done about that in the short term.In the long term it needs to be made much more attractive as a job and a lot of training needs to take place.
By the by, I have never seen any comments on GN saying that foreigners are ‘taking our jobs’.

Indeed Kali2 the next GE will indeed be very interesting.
As I say, time will tell.
However unfortunately for some, I believe Boris will win out.

Then again, I thought Trump would be re-elected last November so what do I know?
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And we have every democratic right to try and make sure Johnson, and the Tories, are not re-elected- which is what this thread is about (as some have reminded us before). Absolutely EVERY RIGHT.

And I am afraid, because of the disastrous effects on the country and a vast proportion of the people, we shall never do this.

This is not just about 'a difference of opinion- it goes far, far, beyond this

Look JaneJudge, your life experiences are obviously on the opposite end of the spectrum to mine. Which, I suppose, illustrates the reason why we both voted differently in the referendum. Both our reasons are valid because of our circumstances. I’m genuinely sorry for your difficulties. If it helps you (mentally) our votes cancelled each other out anyway.

We shall just have to agree to disagree.
Never the twain shall meet.

JaneJudge

As for my bubble not being impacted when I cannot get carers for my daughter because of something I never voted for
wtf there must be some major empathy bypass going on here

Yes, like you Jane, so many families with special needs children or adults, and all the elderly (you know, our lot! and our very elderly parents) who face a grim future without support and carers. Are they not allowed to 'disagree' with you that this is NOT a good outcome, and that IT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO BREXIT.

I am so sorry Jane, hope you find a solution soon hugs

lemongrove

Aren’t you brave enough to type the words you are calling fellow GNers Jane? Obviously not.
Because they don’t agree with you..... sad.

Probably not because they don't agree with you- but because it is affecting them and theirs, their communities, businesses, jobs, freedoms, and so much more, day in, day out.

As for my bubble not being impacted when I cannot get carers for my daughter because of something I never voted for
wtf there must be some major empathy bypass going on here

Frost, not yet a lord, was serving as head of the Scotch Whisky Association in 2016 when he made some comments about Brexit we bet he wants everyone to forget.

Speaking to euronews, he said: “*About 40% of what we export goes to Europe. If we leave the European Union then we are going to see administrative barriers brought up. If there is a Brexit we will lose access to the European Union Free Trade Agreements, that is clear.*

“If the UK then will need to renegotiate its own agreements, clearly that is going to take time. Our interest is to be part of the biggest possible market with the fewest possible barriers.

And here comes the punchline: “*The European single market gives us that. The European free trade agreements gives us that. Why would we want to depart from that?*”