The leader has become a liability

I noticed even the news appear to be showing PMQs...something itv certainly hasn't been doing in a long time.

WW2: 'has become a liability'??? Some of us have always seen him that way (a complete clown, embarrassment, joke etc.) and failed to comprehend how anyone could like him.

There was hardly anyone there this week.....on all sides.No front bench support either for Conservatives or Labour, where were they all?
I think Johnson will be there for a while yet....don’t get your hopes up Whitewave ?

? what were you watching??? it clearly wasn’t PMQs.

I’m with lemon grove in believing Johnson will continue as PM and Tory leader for a while yet. But - you’re correct white wave, they aren’t happy with him. The Conservatives are ruthless once they decide to get rid.
One thing in Johnson’s favour, is he isn’t female. Look at their treatment of Thatcher. As for the cruelty, humiliation meted out to Theresa May, words fail. She had some integrity , Johnson has none

I bet he has been given quite a few dark warnings from his own side, but will no doubt continue for quite a while.Depending on how this next year goes for him, he could even go into the next GE!

I’ve just read an article where a journalist has called Starmer a
cast iron chateau bottled yawn
I think I’d rather take the brick bats hurled at Boris than be thought of in this light ?
After all, you stop listening to people if they’re boring, don’t you ?

Even I, as a Tory hater, thought Theresa had some integrity.

I imagine the new year will bring changes. The Johnsons are expecting a new baby at Christmas so it may well be that the 1922 Committee and all who sail in her, will wait for that event and Christmas of course, before getting rid of him. But who to replace him? Gove, Sunak, Mogg etc., are tainted. There’s always J Hunt…

Liz Truss?

Oh PLEASE NO kitty!

If pigs fly maybe some of the more moderate Tories would get some guts and take positive action to depose this clique.

I too have never supported the Tory party but I believe May certainly had integrity. This shower have no interest in the good of their country, lining their own pockets at public expense. What is more they are dragging us through the dirt, internationally speaking.

On Starmer being considered boring well I don't look to a PM for entertainment. There are pretty lights and reality TV for people seeking distraction rather than government.

I would rather have someone who treats matters seriously and bothers with detail than one who skims over facts, talks nonsense and treats politics as though it were a circus.

A reliably boring four years where important issues are treated methodically, fairly and with consideration would be my dream. Boris can then go back to what he's best suited for ....providing distraction on the subject of bent bananas in the gutter press.

Coastpath

On Starmer being considered boring well I don't look to a PM for entertainment. There are pretty lights and reality TV for people seeking distraction rather than government.

I would rather have someone who treats matters seriously and bothers with detail than one who skims over facts, talks nonsense and treats politics as though it were a circus.

A reliably boring four years where important issues are treated methodically, fairly and with consideration would be my dream. Boris can then go back to what he's best suited for ....providing distraction on the subject of bent bananas in the gutter press.

Absolutely

It's now on the official parliamentary record, (Hansard) that Johnson is a liar. One for future historians...

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-11-30/debates/DA41937F-F795-4A37-8C9E-9940192FBC64/ConductOfTheRightHonMemberForUxbridgeAndSouthRuislip

Ian Blackford had the approval of the Deputy Speaker for saying this. Carefully worded.

The truth & the Prime Minister have always been strangers.... I can only conclude that the Prime Minister has demonstrated himself to be a liar

twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1465727219288920077?t=I3GIPbxQMf5N00FrIv5FTg&s=03

Excellent post, Coastpath

I would rather have someone who treats matters seriously and bothers with detail than one who skims over facts, talks nonsense and treats politics as though it were a circus.

It always seems bizarre that one of Johnson's stock attack lines at PMQs is that Starmer is 'playing politics'. . What on earth else does he expect?

MaizieD

Excellent post, Coastpath

I would rather have someone who treats matters seriously and bothers with detail than one who skims over facts, talks nonsense and treats politics as though it were a circus.

It always seems bizarre that one of Johnson's stock attack lines at PMQs is that Starmer is 'playing politics'. . What on earth else does he expect?

Agree! Coastpath nailed it.

Yes, Starmer is "playing politics" - that's his job!

Johnson is "in" politics - and he does the same - that's his job, too.

We do not have consensus government, our system is adversarial. Perhaps someone should remind Johnson.

It doesn't matter who turns up for PMQs or who supports Johnson in the Tory party, they will keep him as leader because he delivered the Red Wall. Anyone being proposed as a new leader would need to show they could keep those people on board and as most of them know there aren't many who could. (Mind I don't think Starmer would appeal to Red Wall either)

I wonder what clown and knucklehead translates to in French? Macron just about summed it up.
Condoning parties last Christmas at Westminster the day before cancelling Christmas for the country was another nail in his coffin.
I can’t see him surviving beyond the spring, particularly if he makes any more major cockups. His personal rating has slipped so much, it’s hard to see how he can find a way back.

This

“Word of the day is 'eye-servant' (16th century): one who only works properly or follows the rules when they are being observed”

The results of today's by-election might be interesting...

I don’t think it will be another upset tbh. But it will be interesting.

Whitewavemark2

I don’t think it will be another upset tbh. But it will be interesting.

A greatly reduced majority would be comforting...

I wonder if that's why the Mirror has just broken the No. 10 Christmas parties story...

Casdon

I wonder what clown and knucklehead translates to in French? Macron just about summed it up.
Condoning parties last Christmas at Westminster the day before cancelling Christmas for the country was another nail in his coffin.
I can’t see him surviving beyond the spring, particularly if he makes any more major cockups. His personal rating has slipped so much, it’s hard to see how he can find a way back.

His rating has slipped - for the moment.

I'm sure the party will be working hard to restore faith - that might mean ditching Johnson. But he, 'Boris', as he is affectionately called by his supporters does maintain a certain pulling power - especially with those who think "he's doing his best" and that our current shambolic state is simply due to the pandemic.

Failing a catastrophe that can be laid at his door - he may well survive. Sleaze does not overly bother his fans, "all politicians are the same" they say. His lies do not faze them either, "all politicians lie". He's given them what they wanted, Brexit, and he tells them what they want to hear - about the dastardly French, the "bullying" EU, migrants treating this country "as their own". His buffoonery is seen as a great sense of humour.

I would not be at all surprised if he won another election.