The leader has become a liability

I work in a 'factory' as a skilled crafts employee for a family run firm who produce British designed and manufactured products. Is that helpful enough. Or do I deserve further insults? I am the only woman on my floor fwiw.

another sad glitch

Anyway, Brexit, Schemexit ... it’s done. A work in progress anyway. Thank god for Lord Frost going forward.

However, this thread is about Boris.
?
And whether or not we feel he is a liability. Hmm.

Sorry another sad glitch.

''Johnson wasn’t the one doing the negotiations for the UK with EU counterparts ( although I realise that many on GN think it’s him doing everything). ''

Johnson had a very strong hand in it- but no, you are right, it was mainly terribly done by AN UN-ELECTED EMPLOYEE, CIVIL 'SERVANT' - the very kind Brexiters said they hated at the Head of the EU. Oh the tragic irony.

And one, who, as many criticised Mrs May, who was a staunch EU supporter, and who said during the campaign, when he was head of the Whisky Distillers association, would be an absolute disaster for his members, and every single business in the land- and that it was absolutely essential we remained in the Single Market!!! Someone who knew the true value of the EU and the Single Market - but sold his soul and principle to the Devil for a pound and more, of flesh.

It appears to me that it is not bitter or living in the past to point out the problems that we are facing now because of a) Brexit and b) the fact that Brexit seems to be the reason given for being lumbered with a PM who is considered widely, and by many of his own it would seem, to not be up to the job at a time when we could very much use a strong, capable, trustworthy leader.

Brexit along with Covid are the defining issues of this point in all our lives. I think that's why people raise them again and again.

why were they so upset about people from EU taking our jobs? It is all complete and utter rubbish

Your bubble mustn’t t have been impacted then JaneJudge. Try working in Salford on an industrial estate or construction site in Central Manchester being part of the contractors building the new Central Manchester university Hospital after Blair opened the floodgates. Poles & Romanians standing on corners at 6am waiting for white van pick ups ferrying men to building sites.

The university site could not be breached. Union stronghold held firm. But umpteen small sites were a different matter. ‘Give us a job’ was rife. Undercutting local contractors. I know for sure of what I speak. It’s not all about picking fruit you know.

It is very concerning JaneJudge, I watched Panorama the other night where they were discussing staff shortages in the food chain as well, and the impact that will have on supply and food prices for the consumer.

I wish we could see how the care staff shortages will be resolved, but it’s clear this is becoming a long term problem. The new Care act will make it worse because it financially incentivises people to be cared for at home, but there is no care available. Hospitals will be backlogged very quickly when that happens. Before long we will be back to women being expected to give up their jobs to care for family because there will be no alternative.

It appears to me that it is not bitter or living in the past to point out the problems that we are facing now because of a) Brexit and b) the fact that Brexit seems to be the reason given for being lumbered with a PM who is considered widely, and by many of his own it would seem, to not be up to the job at a time when we so very much need a strong, capable, trustworthy leader.

Also, instead of insulting my intelligence, my don't you suggest how I and everyone else employs carers and support staff in the meantime to support vulnerable people whilst someone (who? the sainted ideot PM) come up with a long term solution because it isn't going to happen in the short term cheaply or at all, let alone long term. What a thing to have voted for

It’s amazing, no matter what the OP is about, posters always bring it back to Brexit, again and again, ad nauseam.

What does anyone have to agree with me about anyway? I want to know why there aren't people filling the jobs people have left who have gone back home?

WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE?

why were they so upset about people from EU taking our jobs? It is all complete and utter rubbish

dobranoc

I apologise, I also meant glitches...sad

Is that you Donald?

Aren’t you brave enough to type the words you are calling fellow GNers Jane? Obviously not.
Because they don’t agree with you..... sad.

Oh and Lincsclass, your comments to Janejudge who has a child with challenging needs is beyond crass.

plenty of whatever rhymes with glitches out tonight, for sure

So good I typed it twice? ......it was the GN glitch in action.

lemongrove

Glitches on GN today...

Or perhaps you felt it necessary to repeat yourself in order to sound convincing? Nah. I am still a very bitter Remainer

MayBee70

lemongrove

That wasn’t me, or anyone on GN.
Until the referendum was promised by Cameron and then backed by Parliament, nobody on here was even whispering anything on the forum about the EU.
Everyone on here gets why Remainer voters are disappointed that we have left the ( sainted!) EU, but the fact is that we have done, so that ship has sailed.

Well, that’s because most of us had nothing to complain about. By the same token I don’t remember all of the leave voters desperately trying to educate us about the evils of the EU. Cameron only did it because of threat posed to his party by UKIP.

We didn’t bang on about the EU because there was no point, we were in it for better or worse ( worse, the way it was going.)
Now, if/ when Scotland gets yet another independence referendum, and the vote goes to stay in the union ( say) will Scottish GNers moan on and on saying how awful and unfair it all is?Everyone has to accept the vote and not be eternally sour about it.

mokryna

But I wasn’t allowed to vote like many others in Europe. We didn’t count. I am British.

Same for my stepfather in the Indy1 referendum in Scotland mokryna. He is in his 90th year. Born in the West Highlands. Speaks Gaelic fluently. However, he has lived here in Manchester for many years. Because he wasn’t resident in Scotland (even though he still owned the family house up there that his sister - who voted - lived in) he wasn’t allowed a vote either. Choices have consequences. That’s life.

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lemongrove

That wasn’t me, or anyone on GN.
Until the referendum was promised by Cameron and then backed by Parliament, nobody on here was even whispering anything on the forum about the EU.
Everyone on here gets why Remainer voters are disappointed that we have left the ( sainted!) EU, but the fact is that we have done, so that ship has sailed.

Well, that’s because most of us had nothing to complain about. By the same token I don’t remember all of the leave voters desperately trying to educate us about the evils of the EU. Cameron only did it because of threat posed to his party by UKIP.

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what is the law? are you suggesting people who live in Spain but are British who voted Brexit need to come home and work in social care?
Otherwise I am lost to what you are suggesting