No 10 was breaking Christmas Lockdown rules last year.

Even now people are being fined £10,000 for parties they held 12 months ago so they must be feeling pretty aggrieved at what has happened. Especially as a lot of them are probably young and were suffering from the silliness that comes with youth (been there got the t shirt). We’re discussing the very people that are running this country: the people who we trust our finances and lives with. But hey, how about we stop having trials and just ask criminals to judge themselves if they feel they’ve done wrong and, if not, walk free. Because that’s what the governments internal inquiry is tantamount to. Oh and they’ve just been fined over the flat refurbishment. Remember that one. I’ve never known a government (and one member in particular) make so many accidental mistakes. It’s corrupt from the top down. I never really understood the term ‘draining the swamp’ before, but I sure as hell do now.

MaizieD I don’t equate affluence with a complete absence of moral compass. The affluent may be able to cover it up better, but murderers, rapists, thieves, etc don’t have to be rich to have a complete absence of moral compass.

You must not separate the rule makers from the rule breakers. .

That is why they must be held to account.

I think there was a party. I think it was illegal.

However, if the office down the road from you had had a party last December, and you just found out about it this week, would you think it was a good use of police time to spend resources on trying to find evidence when all that existed was a few rumours about what had happened?

And I don't think we do "interrogation" of people here, no matter how ill advised their parties are.

A bit of perspective, please.

Refusing to investigate because they have no 'evidence' is totally out of order. That is their job, to find the evidence and the facts. They had Police on duty there that day- easy to find out who it was, and interrogate them, and anyone all staff employed at the time.

Lincslass

Don’t you think they haven’t looked, or shall they fabricate evidence, what evidence do you suppose is still around from this time last year, DNA, well anyone or everyone is in and out of those rooms, no one is owning up then or now, shall we put them all on a lie detector.

They could at the very least take the simple step of speaking to everyone who was in the building at the time. There might actually be people who were there at the time - at the alleged party or not - who would willingly provide evidence if only they were asked by the Police.

Jane43

varian

I find it incomprehensible and rather depressing to listen to Tory voter's in what was Owen Peterson's constituency say they still intend to vote the same way in the byelection because none of this makes any difference to them.

What is wrong with these people?

It is a very affluent area, there’s your answer.

But two bookmakers have the LibDems as favourite to win. Whatever the result, it's going to be close. Don't be too pessimistic.

Well what I do think is that the police tread more carefully with the wealthy and powerful.

It would also appear that they can even “square” the Met Commissioner.

Jane43

varian

I find it incomprehensible and rather depressing to listen to Tory voter's in what was Owen Peterson's constituency say they still intend to vote the same way in the byelection because none of this makes any difference to them.

What is wrong with these people?

It is a very affluent area, there’s your answer.

So do we then equate 'affluent' with a complete absence of moral compass... (confirming what many less affluent people have long believed...)

Well, will this lot get of the fence and do something positive to get rid of him?

A thread from @RussInCheshire (remember his 'week in tory' threads? )

Start
Quotes from Tory MPs today (8/12)

Cabinet minister: "Boris is like a Bond villain. In the end, he'll escape in a pod with his cat, leaving nothing but destruction behind. We're seeing that process begin now, and the party will be ruined"

Senior Brexiteer and former Cabinet minister

"I thought Boris was a once in a generation transformational leader. I thought he'd get Brexit done, and he has"

[A dubious claim, but never mind]

"But now he has to go. We'll lose. I've had enough"

Elder statesman of the party:

"Boris isn't finished yet, but he's on probation. Maybe he'll have a good Christmas and bounce back, but the real trouble is - he simply doesn't listen to advice."

Senior backbench MP and major figure in 1922 Committee:

"The wheels came off some time ago, and its hard to see how the current driver can steer us for 2 more years"

Brexiteer MP

"Today's announcement [on Covid] was meant to happen next week. It's just a dead cat, but a really clumsy and obvious one. You can see right through the timing. And it won't work, it won't stop this. It makes you wonder if anyone in Number 10 knows how bad this is"

Backbench MP from Northern constituency:

"I thought I knew what party I was in, but now I'm at Westminster it all looks very shaky. The leadership just isn't there. We need something new, and pretty quickly. I think my constituents will demand it"

Member of Johnson's team during his leadership campaign in 2019:

"Aghast. We knew he'd campaign better than he governed, but I don't think anyone expected this kind of drift. He needs a stronger team, but who with talent would want to get close to him right now?"

End

"Nest of Vipers" comes to mind.

varian

I find it incomprehensible and rather depressing to listen to Tory voter's in what was Owen Peterson's constituency say they still intend to vote the same way in the byelection because none of this makes any difference to them.

What is wrong with these people?

It is a very affluent area, there’s your answer.

... and ridding himself of the courts

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-human-rights-act-b1939870.html

Also, the Electoral Commission has fined the Tory party over the corruption scandal over Johnson’s flat in No 10.

Not to worry, as Johnson is intent on ridding himself of the Electoral Commission.

Whitewave Maybe this might be a good thing? He is running scared?

To avoid a further mauling at PMQs, Johnson is bring recess forward by 2 days.

No I am not excusing them, then or now. Was disgusted when all came to light re parties and weddings. Disgusted now that no one is owning up to save their own skins.

Don’t you think they haven’t looked, or shall they fabricate evidence, what evidence do you suppose is still around from this time last year, DNA, well anyone or everyone is in and out of those rooms, no one is owning up then or now, shall we put them all on a lie detector.

It seems simple. If there was a party, not a work meeting, then rules were broken as parties had been banned.

They are going by past precedent. Keep the line, however bizarre and eventually the press etc will move on to something else.

As long as they are not threatened by police investigation, (Cummings and No 10) or hit in the pocket (second jobs, corruption, cronyism ) they know that they will get away with anything.

And they are.

Sajid Javid on BBC news said there is no evidence of rule breaking. Why are they still persisting with that line? It's insulting.

So the police can arrest those attending a vigilance for someone killed by one of them, and those protesting against the biggest climate catastrophe we have ever seen and stop and search black men at will, but won’t investigate this?

What has this country become?

There will have been CCTV coverage and lots of security in the building. It is not just one policeman on the door you know. Plus (allegedly) 40-50 people there. There will be evidence.

Evidence of the actual party I mean. Videos etc.

They have and Allegra whateverhername has resigned.