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Relationship between France and UK

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Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 10:03:11

From an excellent article by Simon Jenkins, this from a former French Embassador to the UK:

........''Sadly, I feel Brexit has changed all this – and rivalries that were once largely convivial have turned sour and unfriendly.

France has been repeatedly accused of wanting to punish the UK for Brexit. The French position is simply that the decision to leave the European Union has made the UK a ““third country” – not a punishment but a term defined in EU treaties, with many legal and regulatory consequences. The French government and public opinion alike are irritated by what seems like Johnson’s determination to have his cake and eat it.''........

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:44:51

What Trade Deals? The one with Australia which will destryo our farmers. Bravo!

Alegrias1 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:42:07

Urmstongran

^but I can see its a direct quote from the Express^

Wrong, Mystic Meg.
It was the Telegraph.
?

Well somebody's been copying someone else's homework.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1528523/city-of-london-news-brexit-exodues-project-fear-financial-services

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:41:41

Oh my, your SOH is beyond bounds -
''But now we are out and starting to do stuff, successful vaccination procurement and roll out, free trade deals, AUKUS, pacific tilt, a faster growing economy, far less youth unemployment, companies like Nissan, Unilever & Shell locating to Uk rather than staying in the EU, they cannot hide their reduced stature. ''

Had a lovely evening out and nearly spit my curry.

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:39:10

It’s never been brought up on a thread Marmite. I think most ex-pat retired teachers retire to France.

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:37:09

Yes it is Josianne ? isn’t it charming?

Marmite32 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:36:41

Urmston - you should know a bit about the rel. between UK and Spain. What's the difference, and why don't we hear about it?

Josianne Sat 04-Dec-21 20:33:26

Oh that's so cute. Is it really the card from.Number 10 this year?

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:31:18

but I can see its a direct quote from the Express

Wrong, Mystic Meg.
It was the Telegraph.
?

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:29:25

At least Macron will get one of these.
Boris’ Christmas card, of Dylin the dog playing in the snow on the Downing Street garden.

Alegrias1 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:25:32

lemongrove

Aleg ....oh, the Mogg! ?He does seem to live in a different timeline.

Maybe.

But his alternative timeline is in the UK.

Alegrias1 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:23:53

Urmstongran

Ooh Alegrias an awful lot of coulds in that post. Might? Maybe? Perhaps?

Indeed. Could - just like it could be growth of 4.3% in 2022. When they said in the last release that it could have been 5.2%

Alegrias1 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:21:29

The Mackel thing? The quote doesn't make sense UG... London is not an industry confused but I can see its a direct quote from the Express, so that explains a lot.

Bit of a misquote there.

What Mackel said is that nobody else will leave because all the main companies left 2 years ago.

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:21:27

Ooh Alegrias an awful lot of coulds in that post. Might? Maybe? Perhaps?

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:20:03

I wonder if any posters who had predicted the downfall of the City will appear on here and admit that they were wrong. I'm sure that some of them must have a bit of integrity.

lemongrove Sat 04-Dec-21 20:18:24

Aleg ....oh, the Mogg! ?He does seem to live in a different timeline.

Alegrias1 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:17:34

How many times does this need saying....at least once more I suppose...

The reason our GDP is growing fastest is because it fell off a very steep cliff two years ago. If you're starting from a very low number, even a small absolute number is a large percentage.

Plus you missed the bit in the OECD report that said that Britain could suffer a setback if supply and worker shortages do not ease.

Oh, and this bit: On the UK, it said: 'A prolonged period of acute supply and labour shortages could slow down the recovery by forcing firms into a more permanent reduction in their operating capacity.'

And this bit : A worsening trade relationship with the European Union could also weigh on the economic outlook in the medium term,' it added.

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:13:50

And London's financial crown remains intact - despite Europe's attempts to lure workers overseas in the aftermath of the referendum!

The head of Luxembourg's government finance agency said relocations from the City are “basically over” with London’s crown as Europe’s financial services capital intact.

Nicolas Mackel, chief executive of Luxembourg for Finance, said: “It's obvious London is and will remain Europe's most important financial services industry."

?

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:10:44

Not looking backwards but forwards. ...

Apparently the OECD's latest GDP growth forecast:
In 2021 the country with the fastest GDP growth will be .... the UK at 6.9%

In 2022 the country with the fastest GDP growth will be ... the UK at 4.7%
Again. “Despite Brexit”. ?

Its almost enough to put a smile on an objective observer's face.

Alegrias1 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:09:29

Nobody in the UK harks back to any ancient wars with France despite what a couple of posters seem to think.

Oh aye?

lemongrove Sat 04-Dec-21 19:58:44

I wasn't thinking of being proud of one’s country Josi but of himself and his own image.
Johnson has always enjoyed clowning around when he thinks the occasion warrants it, and it does go down well with many people. Of course there is a time and a place etc.
Nobody in the UK harks back to any ancient wars with France despite what a couple of posters seem to think.

Marmite32 Sat 04-Dec-21 19:53:30

We lived in France for 16 years. never came across anti anglais. We paid our bills on time.
A few times I asked locals what they had against us. Most had never thought about it, Except one who asked why we didn't change to the euro? but a few said the (??? local word I forgot) were much worse. North Africans.
OTOH When I was at school we had a programme to have french teenagers to do an exchange. My Mum refused, said they were dirty and didn't wash their knickers.
Personally, I think this rift is because we are an island nation with an independant streak.There will always be some issue to cut us off from France. Expectations of politicians being one.

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 19:50:16

I prefer the old-fashioned ‘comedienne’ FarNorth. ?

Alegrias1 Sat 04-Dec-21 19:49:54

That faster vaccine rollout. How's that going?

Josianne Sat 04-Dec-21 19:49:05

I think pride in one's nation is a good thing lemongrove and the French have that in spades.
As for Macron, it's when amour-propre turns into arrogance that it doesn't look so good.

lemongrove Sat 04-Dec-21 19:48:33

....although I have enjoyed reading about all these imaginary French country people covering their eyes and tapping their bonces.