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Relationship between France and UK

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Coastpath Sat 04-Dec-21 10:58:50

Because to keep trotting out nonsense about wars that ended centuries ago makes us look really ridiculous, gloating and as though nothing positive has happened since for us to be proud of.

Smileless2012 Sat 04-Dec-21 10:53:18

Well TBH I'm surprised that he says "rivalries which were once convivial". What are the once convivial rivalries he's referring too?

Why would the English have to "get over the Napoleonic wars" Mazie we were on the winning side with Prussia and Napoleon was defeated at the battle of Waterloo, which marked the end of Napoleon's reign and France's domination of Europe.

Josianne Sat 04-Dec-21 10:44:37

his cake and eat it
Another difference on the subject of taste between us, the French say have his butter.

Seriously I can't see the whole world watching what Boris is up to. My Breton farming friends really don't give a stuff. Maybe they are too busy eating Brittany butter and just take it all with a pinch of salt (Guérande, of course).

MaizieD Sat 04-Dec-21 10:44:24

I don't think that the English have yet got over the Napoleonic wars...

This souring of relationships, exacerbated by Brexit and the need for an 'enemy' to blame for all our Brexit related problems, is beyond childish.

One of my reasons for voting Remain in 1973 was that it would bring us closer to recognising that the UK is part of Europe and that it would help to heal divisions exacerbated by constant war with the continent. I'm saddened that Brexit has been an instrument for reviving old enmities.

winterwhite Sat 04-Dec-21 10:41:14

Coastpath, absolutely right!

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 10:32:18

Well yes. But the whole world is watching this and just cannot believe how Johnson is behaving- and how hypocritical his 'cake and eat' position, à la 'we signed the Deal' but we didn't mean it really, so give us some slack... It just does not, and cannot, work like this. HIS Deal has to be adhered to.

Dickens Sat 04-Dec-21 10:24:26

Kali2

... "there's no solution to the problem while these two are in charge"

I think she's right.

Josianne Sat 04-Dec-21 10:23:48

^ rivalries that were once largely convivial have turned sour and unfriendly^

Love it! I'm just hoping the relationship, (and the apéros), with our French friends taste just as sweet as before after all this. Sour grapes is not a good thing! grin

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 10:16:39

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Coastpath Sat 04-Dec-21 10:12:06

In my opinion the sour, unfriendliness has been created by our government as a scapegoat for all the ills of Brexit. This myth has been perpetuated by certain factions of the press who have a vested interest and swallowed whole by all those delighted to have a scapegoat for the idiot idea that is Brexit.

You can't have the benefits of a club you don't belong to. That's it and all about it.

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 10:03:11

From an excellent article by Simon Jenkins, this from a former French Embassador to the UK:

........''Sadly, I feel Brexit has changed all this – and rivalries that were once largely convivial have turned sour and unfriendly.

France has been repeatedly accused of wanting to punish the UK for Brexit. The French position is simply that the decision to leave the European Union has made the UK a ““third country” – not a punishment but a term defined in EU treaties, with many legal and regulatory consequences. The French government and public opinion alike are irritated by what seems like Johnson’s determination to have his cake and eat it.''........