Does Boris Johnson ever tell the truth?

It's the 'bare faced' quality of the lies that surprises me. There's no subtlety, no disguise - and no apologies.

“Would you say that to his face. No, guess not”. I think you guess wrong.

Yes, I'd definitely say it to his face.

If I was face to face with him, me telling him he was a liar would be the least of his worries about the conversation.

JaneJudge

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

Now I know its not nice to make fun of people because of how they look, but sometimes its worth making an exception.

Here's Johnson lying about being a policeman and about his ability to get himself dressed in the morning.

I am not a fan of the PM however, saying he is lying about being a policeman is not correct.
He has been with a drug squad (I believe in Merseyside) whilst they are carrying out raids.

Has been trying them out too, just to make sure ?

Are you aware of slander laws. Would you say that to his face. No guess not, hiding behind your keyboard safe.

I wonder whether other world leaders such as Merkel, Ardern, Biden , Macron etc feel the need to dress up in different outfits when visiting an organisation? Or are they
they grownups?

Does Boris Johnson ever tell the truth? No!

Ange27

I am new to Gransnet and obviously didn't realise that as my views don't tally with the vocal minority they don't count.
I had written a very long post explaining exactly why I am not wrong but decided it is simply not worth discussing it with those who are only interested in their own opinions.
It's the same few as far as I can see who throw their weight around dismissing those that they don't agree with. Don't you ever get fed up of feeling so superior?

For somebody new to Gransnet, you seem very quick to judge other posters. Personally, I believe much that you wrote in your post was wrong - as did Alegrias, so it would appear. We are entitled to believe you are wrong and to express that belief. That's how discussion works. That doesn't mean that we think we are superior, nor does expressing an opposing belief mean throwing one's weight around.

Doodledog

*It is in the interests of the rightwing press to ignore Johnson's lies and/or encourage the cynical "all politicians are liars" narrative.*

Indeed, and it has the added advantage for those who voted for Johnson that it allows them to deflect the conversation away from his lies into a defence of everyone else.

JaneJudge .

Absolutely. It makes me angry when people dismiss Johnson's lies by saying that all MPs lie. They don't. Some may not have the same views as me, some may be like mine in a very safe seat and complacent but he isn't a liar. Saying they are all the same is just an excuse for voting for Johnson and his cronies again.

I have read your post carefully, Ange27 and I think that you are saying that Johnson's lies could have been taken out of context.

The problem is that many of his lies have been fact checked and proven to be just that, lies. We could take as a starting point his infamous £350million per week on the side of a red bus. It was the ONS that pointed out that it wasn't a true figure.

Peter Oborne wrote a whole book on his lies, all fact checked. The lies in the video were fact checked. His lies are constantly fact checked and disproved. Can you show that they are not?

No, it has never been like this before because we have never before had a PM who lies so hard, so consistently and so transparently. He is long, long past being given the benefit of the doubt. He disgraces his office and he disgraces his country and people are extremely upset and angry about it.

It is in the interests of the rightwing press to ignore Johnson's lies and/or encourage the cynical "all politicians are liars" narrative.

Indeed, and it has the added advantage for those who voted for Johnson that it allows them to deflect the conversation away from his lies into a defence of everyone else.

JaneJudge .

Ange27, if you really want a proper discussion on this discussion site, especially on the News and Politics forum, you've got to be ready to defend your ideas. If you just want to post what you think and not get argued with, you've going to be disappointed.

You said what you think, I said what I think. They happen to differ. C'est la vie.

new to Gransnet, my arse

New here- are you sure?

I am new to Gransnet and obviously didn't realise that as my views don't tally with the vocal minority they don't count.
I had written a very long post explaining exactly why I am not wrong but decided it is simply not worth discussing it with those who are only interested in their own opinions.
It's the same few as far as I can see who throw their weight around dismissing those that they don't agree with. Don't you ever get fed up of feeling so superior?

In my opinion (to which I'm entitled), I can't see much that is "spot on" or "summed up the situation very well* in Ange27's post. In my opinion, Alegrias1 made some valid comments. She introduced her post by "I believe ..." and she is perfectly entitled to a belief without having some kind of agenda.

Can somebody explain my agenda to me please?

(I think its not believing nonsense, but I'll consider other ideas, if you've got them.)

No, sorry, you are wrong, because you are clearly ...

no other of saying it - just wrong.

Alegrias1

^Does any politician ever really tell the truth or do they just repeat snippets of statistics and information they are given in order to suit their purpose?^

I do not believe that the majority of serious politicians repeat unproven bits and pieces that they have been told to say by their staff. They are not performing parrots. To say such a thing is not fair to the many politicians who take their elected positions seriously and are actually in politics for the good of the people, not themselves.

The media manipulate stories but many (most?) people are able to appreciate that all media have a bias and are able to interpret the news with that understanding. Some, sadly, seem to be unable to do that.

When a politician tells an outright lie, anybody with any experience of the real world is able to tell it’s a lie. Usually. e.g. There wasn’t a party, but if there a party was all the rules were followed. A 3-year old would come up with a better lie. (Johnson has a tell, have you noticed? Silly little smirk and he wrinkles up his eyes.)

Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. But to tarnish the reputation of politicians who are not in the job just for themselves, along with not knowing the difference between opinion and fact, is not something to be proud of.

So everybody saying how Ange27 is spot on – reconsider. Because she’s not.

Alegrias1 I am wrong because you say so? You have twisted my post to suit your agenda and you have actually proved my point entirely.

Trouble is Johnson probably lied when he was a child and he got away with it, now he is an adult and thinks he can still do the same.

I think he's voted for time after time, Blue Balou because far too many people think the way that you do about the integrity of politicians.

I assume that you never vote, because how on earth could you make up your mind who to vote for if you don't believe a word that any politician says?

Alegrias1

I knew that was going to happen.

It's for comic effect.

I know I'll never get on Live at the Apollo but just go with me on this, hmm?

I got it…

The answer to your thread title is probably’Not if he can possibly help it’
I don’t believe a word any politician says, they’re all out for themselves and sod everyone else. Our (far too longstanding) MP is possibly the most devious, two-faced individual that I have ever had the misfortune to meet with, yet he’s voted for time after time ?
He’s only interested in cosying up to the rich and titled, not the common man for whom he has very little time.

Grannynannywanny

I passed a tv in our local shopping centre this afternoon when that interview was taking place. The tv was muted and when I saw Boris Johnson’s face and “drug squad “ in the subtitles I thought there had been a raid in the House of Commons.

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

Now I know its not nice to make fun of people because of how they look, but sometimes its worth making an exception.

Here's Johnson lying about being a policeman and about his ability to get himself dressed in the morning.

I am not a fan of the PM however, saying he is lying about being a policeman is not correct.
He has been with a drug squad (I believe in Merseyside) whilst they are carrying out raids.

Has been trying them out too, just to make sure ?

I passed a tv in our local shopping centre this afternoon when that interview was taking place. The tv was muted and when I saw Boris Johnson’s face and “drug squad “ in the subtitles I thought there had been a raid in the House of Commons.