Identity cards and/or covid passports

Well Riverwalk you wouldn’t need an ID card if you could just use the NHS App on your mobile at venues provided it’s up to date of course, would you?

I'm not carrying around something that proves my right to be in my own country!

25Avalon

Where does the NHS App leave me? I received text notification to book my booster, was given a booking number and off I went. I have now, however, received another NHS text saying I have not had my booster and need to book it from the attached link ?‍♀️

That's nothing to do with the introduction of ID cards

Covid passports yes from me but I am still slightly reluctant to endorse identity cards.
As JRM said the idea that we could be stopped at any time going about our lawful business and be asked for ID doesn’t sit well with me.

Yes I have had some strange political bedfellows in the last few years so to speak, I can now add JRM to the list of people I agree with. Its unsettling.

25Avalon

Where does the NHS App leave me? I received text notification to book my booster, was given a booking number and off I went. I have now, however, received another NHS text saying I have not had my booster and need to book it from the attached link ?‍♀️

The system obviously needs a re-boot or something.

welbeck

but why does the introduction of i.d. cards have to be linked to requiring people to carry them, or allow police to demand to see them, without good cause, ie reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.
just because other countries have a, shew us your papers culture, doesn't mean we would have to.
why not be creative, make it work to the individual's benefit, without any loss or rights or freedoms.

Its not an id card then, is it?

Its a piece of photographic id that you can choose to have. Which is fine.

But its not an id card.

Also agree with Rees Mogg in this instance. What a shock!

Where does the NHS App leave me? I received text notification to book my booster, was given a booking number and off I went. I have now, however, received another NHS text saying I have not had my booster and need to book it from the attached link ?‍♀️

Just addressing you last post there welbeck. We've had universal suffrage in this country for 100 years now. We've never needed voter id. Why should we need it now?

So instead of imposing compulsory id cards on people we should just keep doing the thing that works and stop trying to find back door reasons for id cards.

but why does the introduction of i.d. cards have to be linked to requiring people to carry them, or allow police to demand to see them, without good cause, ie reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.
just because other countries have a, shew us your papers culture, doesn't mean we would have to.
why not be creative, make it work to the individual's benefit, without any loss or rights or freedoms.

Here is a link to the rules about stop and search

www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights

These are used many more times for ethnic minorities than they are for white people. I think that the very first section is misleading. If you are stopped and you don't answer the questions are they really going to let the individual pass unhindered? Somehow I doubt it.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/11/more-than-2m-voters-may-lack-photo-id-required-under-new-uk-bill

For many years we've had to have some sort of ID when we engage in a commercial transaction e.g. click & collect, theatre tickets, etc., to establish we are entitled to the goods - I have no problem with this.

However this is very different from having an official ID card which we would need to carry about ourselves to have at the ready. I don't care what goes on in other countries - even liberal democracies.

Even in that very illiberal democracy the US, they don't have to produce an official ID card, just some form of ID, usually a driving licence.

Gawd help me - I'm in agreement with Rees Mogg on this!

yes, there are significant numbers of people who do have great problems in trying to open or change bank accounts.
also other situations where their passport/driving licence is demanded.
i'm surprised you doubt this.
remember the windrush scandal. this came about largely because the well off in govt circles simply didn't believe/ couldn't imagine that there were tens of thousands of grown ups who did not have a passport.
how the half lives, eh ?

as to i.d.cards, they could be introduced, without charge, to aid individuals in opening bank accounts etc.

Do they need one today? Are vast swathes of the community disadvantaged by not having an id card to help them open a bank account?

No?

Then its not a good reason.

(Note to self - stop ranting, Alegrias )

i've always felt the same about i.d. cards.
but i'm wondering now.
there are people who don't have a passport and could never have a driving licence, even a provisional one.
also many people do not have a smart phone. i don't.
remember, the posters on here are disproportionately richer than the general populus. so not really representative.
as to i.d.cards, they could be introduced, without charge, to aid individuals in opening bank accounts etc.
there is no need to give the police powers to stop and demand to see I.d. without cause. as is the case now.
so we could keep the same rights, to roam, not carry i.d., but have it as an officially accepted proof of identity.

I'm having a wee lie down until I get over it...

I didn’t realise you and JRM would be so in agreement on this Alegrias!
?

I was reading an interview with John and Johannes this week. If you don't know who they are, watch Strictly tonight.

Johannes was saying that he was in a coffee shop and he was wearing a leather jacket and a cap, and he got asked for his id. Then he said but that's just what happens, isn't it. John replied that it had never happened to him, even when he wore a leather jacket.

Only difference? Johannes is black.

The idea that there's nothing to worry about with id cards is based on the belief that if you haven't done anything wrong, you've got nothing to fear. Its entirely up to any country to have id cards if they want them, I had a carte de sejour when I lived in France too.

But this is my country, I have every right to be anywhere I like within the law, and I don't have to carry a card to prove who I am and why I'm in a particular location.

Where’s Alegrias?

She was having her lunch

Good idea to start a new thread Dinahmo. Off to read it all now.

It is clear that where Covid passes are required, there is a thriving market in producing and selling false passes- and some doctors have been guilty of giving false passes too.

In the UK?

Surely the majority of UK residents have the NHS App which is proof of vaccination; only those without a smart phone are likely to need a paper pass.

It is clear that where Covid passes are required, there is a thriving market in producing and selling false passes- and some doctors have been guilty of giving false passes too.

This is especially the case with links to football matches and clubbing, but all sorts too.

I have mixed feelinga about identity cards, for all the reasons you state- and yet most EU countries have had identity cards for a very long time. I found mine the other day dated 1958- required to go and spend a holiday with cousins in Italy.

In several countries, for the reason stated in first paragraph, both Covid pass and photo ID has to be presented to go into Cafés, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, clubs, etc, etc, even our U3A lectures on wednesday afternoon- despite the fact we are all known to organisers. The only way to avoid cheating, I am afraid.

Whitewavemark2

Someone suggested that the vaccine proof be tagged to you NHS number.

Not sure how that works

It already is - do you not have the NHS App?

Vaccine history and LFT/PCR results are on there.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you!

My vaccination status is tagged to my NHS number. It’s on the NHS app.