So, if you don't like Boris......

MaizieD

Can't you even ask him why 'socialists' aren't allowed champagne?

I'm sure if they are a Socialist Lord, Lady, Sir, Dame, Baroness etc they are permitted to quaff champagne whenever they like ? ?

It’s complicated. I’ll pm you….

MayBee70 If he's someone you don't care about and/or not a relative why not just tell him what you think? Sometimes life's too short to worry about what people think that you don't like.

MayBee70

Just as I’d like to understand why someone I know who lives in sheltered accommodation and has a partner with serious health problems told me he would vote for Johnson again and would never vote for Keir. Who he calls a champagne socialist. I must admit that, for someone who has always voted Labour because I’m happy to be less well off if it protects people like him, I sometimes wonder why I bother. I can’t ask him outright, by the way because I tend to avoid any political discussion with people that I know hold those views but they seem to be the ones that raise the issue.

What newspaper does this person read?

That could explain a lot.

I did explain to him that Keir was from a working class background last year but he obviously didn’t take it on board.

Can't you even ask him why 'socialists' aren't allowed champagne?

Just as I’d like to understand why someone I know who lives in sheltered accommodation and has a partner with serious health problems told me he would vote for Johnson again and would never vote for Keir. Who he calls a champagne socialist. I must admit that, for someone who has always voted Labour because I’m happy to be less well off if it protects people like him, I sometimes wonder why I bother. I can’t ask him outright, by the way because I tend to avoid any political discussion with people that I know hold those views but they seem to be the ones that raise the issue.

Yes. I’d like to know that, too.

May we ask why? Why Liz Truss? Please.

Like Truss everytime for me

I’d settle for competent.

Every Tory is wondering! Boris is an ideas man poor at detail. He has surrounded himself with young inexperienced advisors instead of people who can tell him straight when he is wrong. Some of you will not like it but i feel that Carrie Johnson is exerting too much influence. I will not go into details but she is very ambitious and quite unpopular with many Tories. I hear he is about to get a very hard nosed chief advisor rather like Lynton Crosbie. He definitely needs someone tough. If he can pull his head in he may get through the current mess. There is time before the next general election. None of the politicians in main parties impress me with their calibre. And that is a problem! There are no outstanding MPs at present!

Who’s in the 1922 committee? Are they the same ones that are in the ERG and the CRG? Need to know if they’re running the country…

Micky Mouse

Tory MP said that Johnson was told at the 1922 meeting that he has until the summer to try to improve things.

Compelling attractiveness definition as Lucca posted - I’m thinking more along the lines of Richard Burton. To be fair though, he would have been a rubbish politician.

compelling attractiveness
?

I like blancmange, a pity it's not fashionable.

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Just a couple of definitions of charisma……. Sorry but by no stretch of the imagination can they be applied to Boris Johnson.

I don't mind a blancmange with intelligence, calm, composure, clear thinking and more

- but since some of you think charisma is so so important- the comment is more apt in this case, methinks.

Seem a copycat comment from the Twitter ones last night that called Keir Starmer a blancmange (as MissA pointed out).

From Marina Hyde today in the Guardian

''The main problem, obviously, is the fact that these deadly serious briefings are fronted by the little prime minister who cried wolf. Johnson is such a noted liar about absolutely everything else that being asked to believe him on matters of life and death seems bizarre. No one could be more miscast; *it’s like watching a rice pudding play King Lear. *Unsurprisingly, fewer and fewer people seem to be taking him seriously each time – not least, his own backbenchers.''

talk about 'charisma' - a rice pudding palying King Lear, indeed.

I believe there was a BBC programme about Stephen Lawrence recently but Keirs involvement was omitted. Don’t want to educate people in the good that he has done over the years: a lot of it without payment I think.

MayBee70

He also did a lot of good work in N Ireland and in the Stephen Lawrence case I believe but, hey, let’s forget about that shall we?

Well, the only thing Blair did was to embroil us in the Iraq war...

We'll forget about everything else

Imo a 5yr old could make a better job of it!

sazz1

Kier Starmer was head of the CPS when several allegations against Jimmy Saville were ignored by the CPS. But it was not his decision allegedly. No I wouldn't prefer him

Sigh