Liz Truss replaces Lord Frost as chief negotiator with the EU

Fake news is so easily spread we need to be aware of what's what…..

But my opinion is as relevant as a fact checked opinion.

It's not. Really it's not.

We read online and newspapers, we then form our own opinions.
It would be nice if we had the time and inclination to fact check, but speaking purely for myself I don't.

But my opinion is as relevant as a fact checked opinion
Why?
Because I am the man in the street (UK) and I have a vote.

I will not wring my hands, talk my country down.

Every Brexit minister has so far been sacked or resigned? It’s truly a poisoned chalice.

I really think you should take your opinions off to a less rigorous forum, like Chat Ug because on here you tend to validate the view of leave voters as being uninterested in fact and unconcerned about the UK is governed.

However, far be it from me to tell you what to do. It's just my opinion...

Urmstongran

Well this is how most people in real life talk about what is in the news - that they have read or seen on tv. That’ll do for me but honestly no problem - just ignore me. Or tell me I’m talking through my bottom. Either response is fine by me.

We are talking here about something VERY serious, the future of the UK, the future for our grandchildren- we are not talking about Kate's dress, or whether we prefer cats to dogs ...

And I do try to be polite and fair. But you did clearly state that the UK should trigger Art 16 and go for WTO rules- and THAT is NOT about 'opinion' - it is dangerous and really serious. You truly scare me with that stuff.

I like Rachel Reeves.

I find it hard to think of a Labour woman who has any credence. They broke the mould with Barbara Castke and Shirley Williams, what women of integrity, outspoken well read and eloquent speakers. You couldn’t say that about Angela Rayner or Diane Abbot or anyone else they have I fear, mind you can’t think of any men they have either that’s up to it, Keir ok but he hasn’t an opinion of his own. He’s just a lawyer.

Well this is how most people in real life talk about what is in the news - that they have read or seen on tv. That’ll do for me but honestly no problem - just ignore me. Or tell me I’m talking through my bottom. Either response is fine by me.

I am sorry urmstongran, but it doesn't work like that - truly.

If you say that we should cancel Deal and go the WTO rule- as an 'opinion' not based on study of the facts, from reliable sources- then it becomes very dangerous, Forensic politicos - really. Just because we take care to fact check what our 'opinions' are based on and what we write. Minutiae? I am sorry, but this is utter bol...... nonsense!

I don’t want to be busy fact checking before I post MaizieD. I don’t wish to spend hours on the internet. I like to spend my day doing other stuff too. Just regard my posts as the opinion of Joe Soap in the street or pub. If that annoys you, just scroll on by, no need to comment. Or correct me if you wish and have the time. Entirely up to you.

If I quote something from an article I’ve read, I’ve been sneered at in the past - ‘oh I expect that’s from the Daily Fail’ etc. So from now on I’m not bothered what anyone thinks of my opinions because that’s all they are. Others of course are available. Dissect or not, criticise or not, ignore or not I really don’t mind.

As an example.
I did read - obviously years ago now - that David Cameron has asked for concessions from the EU that weren’t too onerous. They got rejected. Some newspapers (don’t know now and don’t care and I’m not checking) said he returned to the UK disappointed. Some newspapers even described he came home ‘with his tail between his legs’. Other newspapers - after the referendum said the EU never expected Brexit to be voted in (none of the intelligentsia did) and that they regretted not offering Cameron more on that table.

But all this is in the mists of time. Who cares with the minutiae now? Well you and some other forensic politicos but not me. I could of course spend a good half hour now trawling through Google to find evidence to back up my statement but do you know what? I cannot be bothered!

This took me a while to tap out. I’ve got a meal to prepare as just home after a long day out. I’ve done it to illustrate my take on things going forward. Worth it as I shan’t be explaining myself again. Done & dusted.

I intend to comment and leave it at that. You do with it as you feel fit. Or not. Your choice.

Urmstongran

My head. and What I read in the round I suppose.

Well, there is no (polite) answer to that, for sure!

Coastpath

Educational qualifications are not the only measure of intelligence and they are certainly no indication of a person's ability to succeed in life, their ability to empathise or to achieve great things for society.

Give me an honest person with integrity over a liar with a 2:1 in PPE any day.

I agree with you and I bet you wouldn't call anyone scumbag. Angela Rayner has pulled herself up and is sitting next to the Labour leader. I didn't actually mean her I just meant I would for once like to see emancipation in the labour party being shown and a women leader. They have had women who could have done it in the past Barbara Castle and Shirley Williams both Oxbridge if that has to be a criteria.

Urmstongran

I disagree Kali2 if he was so rubbish why are the EU delighted they no longer have to negotiate with him? They must think they’re going to be dealing with Appeaser May Mk2.

Probably because they no longer have to deal with someone who doesn't read the legislation and who has been trying to unpick the agreement signed by Johnson.

Urmstongran

My head. and What I read in the round I suppose.

Well, how about checking your fact before you post?

And, while we have your attention; what was the 'agreement hat Cameron negotiated with the EU?

And why are you so keen to see all employment regulation removed?

Urmstongran

No. Just pragmatic assessment. The EU will want to give Liz Truss the runaround now Frost has gone. I hope she confers with Frost’s team to see where they were up to and what the plan is for some continuity.

Well you’d hope so??

My head. and What I read in the round I suppose.

Urmstongran

The EU exports more to the UK than we do to them. Ergo they will pay more in tariffs?

The 'EU' consists of 27 countries, Ug. Of course they'll export more in total to the UK than the UK does to them, but each country's individual exports will be less than our total.

They aren't actually paying anything in tariffs to the UK. It's the importer who pays the tariff, not the exporter.

In actual fact, according to the TCA goods are imported from and exported to the EU tariff free.

From the TCA:

You can continue to import and export goods tariff and quota free, provided that those goods meet the ‘Rules of Origin’ requirements set out in the agreement.

Where do you get your dodgy information from?

But possibly not the true one.

Dickens

... Boris Johnson has been de-frosted.

And now he'll be trussed.

I heard Frost resigned over the planned Covid restrictions... does anyone know it that's true?

That was the ostensible reason apparently.

I disagree Kali2 if he was so rubbish why are the EU delighted they no longer have to negotiate with him? They must think they’re going to be dealing with Appeaser May Mk2.

Just an excuse, any excuse. He know he has failed miserably and is getting in deeper and deeper...

... Boris Johnson has been de-frosted.

And now he'll be trussed.

I heard Frost resigned over the planned Covid restrictions... does anyone know it that's true?

''scrap the deal - all of it. And go WTO.''

do you actually understand what that means? Really?

The UK is 27 countries- the UK just the one (sort of ...) so not surprising re imports and exports quantity?!?

Rishi Sunsk was briefing in favour of a softer approach towards the EU over NI.

This helped undermine Lord Frost who then resigned. This in turn has destabilised the PM further. Who might benefit if BoJo goes?

Hmmm. ??