Liz Truss replaces Lord Frost as chief negotiator with the EU

It won’t be champagne though???

Whitewavemark2

The Queen of cheese has just announced that the U.K. is to bring back pint sized champagne bottles.

????anyone see the problem with that?

W hat a d…….head

Perfect! Just the right size to slip into my handbag to have with my lunch on the beach. Six glasses was always a bit too much for me. Hic hic.

The Queen of cheese has just announced that the U.K. is to bring back pint sized champagne bottles.

????anyone see the problem with that?

W hat a d…….head

Some previous posters bounce back with a new name but a very recognisable style

Kali2
So we both have a strange memory
But obviously talking about the same person. Strange, isn’t it.

GrannyGravy13

MerylStreep

Lemongrove
I believe it. We have a poster on this thread, who, in a previous life told us she wouldn’t mix with anyone who voted for Brexit.

Yep I remember them and the post very well.

Ah yes! That poster.?
GG13 GN political Brexit threads are as Groundhog Day?

I remember that one- that poster said she had stopped talking to relatives in the USA because of the extreme racism they expressed when Obama was elected, and confirmed in strong terms during the Trump campaign.

This article from the BBC above just happened to turn up on my page today- and I felt it confirmed things I have read recently about younger people finding it VERY difficult, and at times impossible, to continue the conversation. I couldn't do that- but I can understand it.

Kali2
Not a strange memory a very good one. In fact the poster also told us that she had stopped talking to family in America because they ( the relatives) had voted for Trump.
Can you believe it, cancelling your own family for the way they vote ?

My final comment this Christmas on matters political ??

This article just come up and it brought me back to this thread. Don't believe me, but perhaps you will have a better understanding from here

www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211201-family-estrangement-why-adults-are-cutting-off-their-parents?at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_campaign=64&at_custom4=CD3C07E6-6393-11EC-B989-BFB2BDCD475E&at_custom3=BBC+News&at_custom2=facebook_page&at_medium=custom7

Great letter of advice to Liz Truss:

westenglandbylines.co.uk/open-letter-to-liz-truss/

I was only thinking of that yesterday. For years I’ve had friends for various reasons: some because of shared sporting interests, parents of my childrens school friends, work colleagues etc etc. But it is only since brexit that politics has been discussed within the framework of those friendships (the exception obviously being political friends). I distanced myself from one of my oldest friends because her husband was an arch brexiter, very vocal about it and ( this is the important bit) had always been a bit racist. Because of the pandemic we hadn’t met each other anyway, but I’ve just heard that she has Alzheimer’s and I’m in shock about it. But also, on other forums, politics is mentioned more than it used to be and, on top of that people have become almost tribal in their views on covid restrictions/vaccines etc. Divide and rule seems to be working well I’m afraid.

I find it strange that people say they normally don't discuss politics with family/friends. Really? Surely it is Brexit that has changed what we discuss. It has become the elephant in the room. In the groups of people I meet (not family) it is no longer broached; yet during the referendum it was. What has changed is that many leave voters find the topic very uncomfortable, therefore it is better avoided. Nobody wants to create a strained atmosphere.

I shall meet several people who voted for Brexit and intially backed Johnson. I won't talk about it, and if they do, I will deflect, and even walk away if 'goaded', as might happen with one of them. I know the others have all changed their mind, and have reached out to us and said hos disappointed they feel with Johnson, ashamed even- and have also come to realise they were lied to and taken in by the promises - and went with it all to protect their large assets.

I will not get into any arguments- what would it achieve in a family setting?

Thank you, GG13

So you have no arguments or disagreements about Brexit with your friends because you don't talk about it.

But here on this forum we are not talking to a mixed group of friends. We're not down the pub having a natter. We're talking, in some cases very seriously, about the effects of Brexit. Which makes for arguments and disagreements.

It would be naive to expect it to be nonstop sweetness and light.

GG13 ''... to see if anything has changed and no it hasn’t the same posters are having the same conversations that were taking place when I joined GN 4 years ago.''

it is indeed tragic, I agree. Especially now it is CLEAR, beyond any doubt, that those conversations were based on lies, and that all the warnings were called 'scare mongering project fear'. You'd have thought that now it is all CLEAR, and the consequences- people would have changed their mind. But no ... hey ho.

Josieann

How sad to read, especially on a site like Gransnet, that many reject their parents due to how they voted in the referendum.

Josieann, perhaps because it has completely ruined their dreams and aspirations, and that of the grandchildren. Many accepted that their parents were taken in by the promises and the lies during the Campaign- and could live with that. But they just cannot accept that now we all know they were false promises, and were definitely lies- and all the 'project fear' warnings have turned to be true on speed- and still no change of mind, no regrets, and claim they would do the same- is just too much, far too much, to bear.

MerylStreep

Lemongrove
I believe it. We have a poster on this thread, who, in a previous life told us she wouldn’t mix with anyone who voted for Brexit.

Yep I remember them and the post very well.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD I value friendship, if I am in trouble a friend will be there for me as opposed to a politician, whatever their party.

There is a wonderful world outside of politics…

That doesn't actually answer my question, GG13

MaizieD , the referendum happened 5 1/2 years ago old news. The minutiae of the agreements/disagreements will go on for ever…

To be continuously having the same conversations would in my opinion be very odd. When I meet up with friends we discuss holidays, our businesses, our families and a myriad of other topics.

I pop into the politics threads to see if anything has changed and no it hasn’t the same posters are having the same conversations that were taking place when I joined GN 4 years ago.

lemongrove

I don’t believe it either Kali.
It may be that some keyboard warriors say that kind of daft thing on forums but real life is quite different.

I am telling you as it is- and seen multiple and multiple times and recently even more. But you believe what you wish - you believed in Johnson, and Frost, and Brexit ... and I did not. Et voilà.

MerylStreep - what a strange memory you have, because I for one, cannot remember, anyone, just anyone, who ever said this here.

*isn't that what ...

And isn't what this thread is partly about? The integrity and moral principles of the individual which sometimes clash with other people's expectations of them?

As to MP’s and Ministers voting in the referendum, they were allowed their own views at the time and their own vote, just like anyone else but the people of the UK expected them to then act on the results ( which Parliament voted to do.)
Therefore it doesn’t matter if Liz Truss or any other Minister voted to Remain and is now part of the negotiation with the EU about Brexit.They want it to work and are doing their best to make it go well whichever way they voted at the time.

Meryl
Either keyboard warrior bravado or a complete twerp then!
?

Lemongrove
I believe it. We have a poster on this thread, who, in a previous life told us she wouldn’t mix with anyone who voted for Brexit.