Horse Puncher sacked from teaching job

lavenderzen

Doodledog what an insulting comment, but I would expect this off you, you have been here five minutes if that. What I meant was I wasn't going to re-read the comments. If you read the thread you will see I have commented all through the thread - read my comments and don't be so quick off the mark.

I have read the thread. I was quoting your own words - if they aren't what you meant, there's not a lot I can do.

How can you expect anything of me if you hadn't noticed me until five minutes ago? I've been around a while, actually, and have quite a few posts to my name. I don't think I was rude, but you saying that you couldn't be bothered to read back (whatever you meant to say) and that posters' opinions are 'warped' certainly crosses the line between straight talking and rudeness, don't you think?

Still, I dare say that the mods can decide if either of us has been rude - as I've said all along, opinions differ, so it's better to have a 'legal' framework than individuals deciding who is right.

You are so so rude Doodledog - read the thread, I know exactly what I am talking about - you definitely DO NOT.

Doodledog what an insulting comment, but I would expect this off you, you have been here five minutes if that. What I meant was I wasn't going to re-read the comments. If you read the thread you will see I have commented all through the thread - read my comments and don't be so quick off the mark.

Sorry its difficult for you to hear other peoples opinions lavender. You are probably right an internet forum is probably not a great place to be if you dont like hearing others views.
I am not defending her behaviour Bluebelle it looks awful.

Death threats, she deserves to lose her job, not excusing at all what she did, Does anyone know this lady, what is going on in her life, she’d needed to be punished, legally, not by mob media. Where do opinions become threatening and vengeful, yes on forums like this. She hasn’t killed anyone, yet she’ll be punished for life. You said it right Doodledog in the first place.

What an absolute awful woman I too am glad she’s lost her job I wouldn’t want her round anybodies children She ll find a way of turning it around, she seems an arrogant woman with a very bad temper she totally lost it, no control at all How many other animals or children has she lost it with

I m unsure how anyone can defend her behaviour

Trisher says that the woman was trying to control the horse, she had it under control as she was holding the reins. There was absolutely no need to kick and beat the animal. If she loses it like that with a horse perhaps she does with children. People who make death threats are appalling.

Galaxy

And who gets to decide what behaviour is acceptable? Who has that power. The very last people you would want to hold that power usually. It's fine in that instance because you agree that the behaviour is wrong (as do I) but once you hand that power over you have absolutely control over what behaviour is 'wrong'.

Precisely what I have been saying. And as if on on cue to illustrate it further, we get lavendarzen saying that she can't even be bothered to read the thread, she knows it is about a horse, so the woman deserves all she gets (presumably without knowing what it is that she's 'got'), and that we all have warped views. A perfect example of 'the mob' in action.

In this case whoever filmed the incident has not only exposed this woman’s inexcusable behaviour towards a horse, but it has exposed her to the strongly held feelings of people outside her sphere, and I think that’s a good outcome.

I agree, of course, that death threats are unacceptable, nevertheless I’m glad this incident was brought to light and hope it will encourage a more enlightened attitude in our treatment of animals.

I knew this would turn into this, the usual Gransnet thread, what ever any of you believe, hunting, social media etc., and I can't even be bothered reading back, what happened with this lovely horse is despicable and there is no excuse, no excuse whatsoever, it was a vile act and the perpetrator deserves everything she gets.
Had enough of Granset and the warped views on here.

Oh, that's deep!
I hadn't thought of that angle.

Absolutely no control that should say.

And who gets to decide what behaviour is acceptable? Who has that power. The very last people you would want to hold that power usually. It's fine in that instance because you agree that the behaviour is wrong (as do I) but once you hand that power over you have absolutely control over what behaviour is 'wrong'.

It's quite difficult to give an answer, it's a very new technology and we are 'finding our feet' with it. It is changing public discourse irreparably and we wont know the consequences of that for decades. It's not something to be treated lightly.

I don’t know where the hunt protesters posted this but this is what they do. They monitor hunts and they take videos. These people are there to expose cruelty. They do so in their own time and are routinely physically abused and injured by the hunting fraternity whilst doing so. I have seen some dreadful footage of hunters riding their horses into them, beating them repeatedly with their crops and even driving at them in their 4x4’s. I have seen footage of foxes being, quite literally, torn apart by the hounds, with the accompanying screams of pain. This whilst women on horseback casually watch on nearby.

I’m a member of The League against cruel sports and many of you would be shocked at the cruelty routinely carried out by the hunting fraternity.

I think a little balance is needed here. If they hadn’t posted it nothing would have been done. As it is she’s been punished and shamed, possibly too harshly but what she did was wrong and if it sends out the message that this kind of behaviour won’t be tolerated and has consequences, good.

What's the answer then?
To be fair, it would have to be that nobody could have an opinion.
Sounds a bit oppressive, to me.

Josieann

I agree Doodledog that it is unfair when a witch hunt starts on social media for a misdemeanor, especially if other members of the family become involved and are bullied. The trouble with something like Facebook is that there is no sanctuary from the baying crowd.

Yes, and everyone's individual 'right to an opinion' becomes cumulative, so employers 'have to act' and one thing leads to another. It's like An Inspector Calls.

I'm not claiming to be judge and jury.
Nobody cares what I say enough to ever think I could be.
Amazingly though, I still have opinions.

I agree Doodledog that it is unfair when a witch hunt starts on social media for a misdemeanor, especially if other members of the family become involved and are bullied. The trouble with something like Facebook is that there is no sanctuary from the baying crowd.

My point being it doesnt matter what came before or after, the same as in any case of violence.
Agreed. But mine is that the penalty is for the law to decide, not the mob.

I think she has shown herself as someone who needs to have been taken down, for her own sake, as well as everyone else's (and animals)
I understand your point of view, but again, with all due respect, you are not the judge and jury here - we have laws and statutory penalties for a reason.

A different story, to illustrate what I mean. Last summer there was a post on local Facebook about a dog that had been seen in a car on a hot day. There was a photo of the car, which belonged to a local resident and was recognised. Cue dozens of posts about how she shouldn't be allowed to keep pets, how the poster would lock her in a car for hours in high temperatures, and how the RSPCA had been informed and should prosecute. There were even posts saying that the photographer should have smashed the car window, and that anyone seeing the car should smash it anyway, to teach her a lesson.

The woman was named and shamed, and more personal abuse followed. She worked in the tax office, so there were nasty comments about that, too. Her children were bullied at school for having a 'dog abusing mother'.

She had parked the car for a couple of minutes while she went to collect a takeaway from a restaurant 2 minutes' walk from the carpark, and the dog was there because they were returning from a beach walk. The photographer had no idea how long the dog had been alone in the car, and nor had the posters, but the level of nastiness had to be seen to be believed, and anyone trying to post in mitigation was told that they must hate animals and should be ashamed of themselves.

Depressing.

I’ve loaded and unloaded many horses and ponies in my time and if one of them got loose, wandered off and then stood still to be caught, I’d be so relieved it hadn’t taken off and caused an accident I would reward it rather than punish it.

Physical violence towards an animal gets you absolutely nowhere. She was lucky it loaded willingly the second time.

I think she has shown herself as someone who needs to have been taken down, for her own sake, as well as everyone else's (and animals)

*Doodledog it is the person/persons who put the footage on line who should also be held to account, along with the female carrying out the vicious act on the horse. Not those who are discussing the footage.

Instead of intervening they decided to catch it all on camera and post it*

That's a good point. The person putting it out there bears responsibility too. I don't think that this absolves the buyers for blood, though. Also, there are times when intervention would be pointless and/or dangerous. The woman who filmed the murder of George Floyd, for instance was responsible for bringing his killer to justice, as her evidence was shown in a court of law and was incontrovertible. Apparently she blames herself for not intervening, but there would have been absolutely nothing she could have done.

25Avalon The woman didn't post this on her own account (I assume). Someone will have done it believing that they have the right to bring the woman down, and they have succeeded.

Josieann

25Avalon

Dd is a primary school teacher and she is very well aware that she must be careful what she posts on Facebook or how she appears on any social media, as any behaviour deemed inappropriate by the school can result in a reprimand or sacking.

Sometimes it is safer as a teacher not to have a Facebook account at all! DH felt very strongly about this, maybe because he is an older man?

Our younger daughter, a teacher full time aged 41y, no longer has a FB account either. She became disillusioned with it years ago and never missed it.

The correct decision was made from what I’ve seen.