Another ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ movement? ?

lemongrove

Calistemon

I'm quite excited and we should be helping by thinking of names for the new party!

Suggestions on a postcard please

Here is my suggestion on a postcard:

The Raving Loony Turnip Party

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Too close to the Official Monster Raving Loony Party, I'm afraid.
And there would be too many heated discussions about when is a turnip not a turnip, when is it a swede?

More suggestions please.

I’ll second that Lemon. Excellent suggestion.

Calistemon

I'm quite excited and we should be helping by thinking of names for the new party!

Suggestions on a postcard please

Here is my suggestion on a postcard:

The Raving Loony Turnip Party

Take heart, Grany. At least JC can probably count on those 14 current Labour MPs standing under his banner at the next election.
One of the main reasons Labour is low in funding is that we lost out on the 'short' money given to the Opposition for every seat they win to help them be an effective opposition. Unfortunately the 2019 election didn't deliver for Labour.
I am waiting to see who will join JC's party from the Parliamentary ranks. Personally, I believe very, very few. It's hard to give up a safe seat and fight under a new banner. You just never know which way that bloody minded electorate will vote.

It's tribalism I think, GagaJo.

Several of Keir Starmer’s advisors have confessed that the Labour Party is now on the verge of bankruptcy.

After less than two years in office, Keir Starmer has turned a bank account of around £13 million into bankruptcy.

And he was the Great White Hope of neoliberal right-wing Labour – the “any other leader” who was going to revitalise the party’s popularity and put it 20 points ahead of the Tories in the polls.

Labour is ahead of the Tories in some polls (just!) – but only because corrupt Conservative prime minister Boris Johnson has disgraced himself by breaking the rules he himself imposed on the people of the UK.

How did Starmer drag Labour to this new low?

Partly by launching a wrong-headed crusade against left-wingers/socialist party members, under the guise of attacking anti-Semitism. We all know it’s a false flag because he has been expelling left-wing Jews.

Court cases both by and against Labour, due to this outrageous behaviour, have cost the party millions.

And ordinary members have been deserting the party, having realised that Starmer is turning it back into a tepid version of the Tories that they simply won’t support.

What better example of this behaviour could we have than Starmer’s response to a vote on the Tory Welfare Cap on Monday (January 10)?

There was a vote last night on capping Govt spending on welfare .Most Labour MPs (183 ) abstained
Only 14 Labour MPs voted against.

Only 14 Labour MPs voted against the Wefare Bill.
The main changes in the Bill are reducing the household welfare cap from £26,000 to £23,000, abolishing legally binding child poverty targets, cuts to child tax credits, cuts to ESA, and cuts to housing benefit for young people

What a shocking indictment against Labour – the party that was set up to stand up for common people everywhere!

You can probably work out most of the Labour MPs who voted against the plan to restrict benefits to poverty levels and increase child poverty, but here’s the list:

Apsana Begum, Richard Burgon, Ian Byrne, Dan Carden, Margaret Greenwood, Kate Hollern, Kim Johnson, Ian Lavery, Andy McDonald, John McDonnell, Bell Ribeiro-Addy, Marie Rimmer, Zarah Sultana, and Beth Winter.

Jeremy Corbyn and Claudia Webbe also voted against it but of course Starmer has thrown them out of his Parliamentary party for no good reason.

183 Labour MPs abstained, including Starmer himself and his Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Jonathan Ashworth – indicating tacit support for the harm the Tory measures will inflict on vulnerable people across the UK.

That is why Labour is nearly bankrupt: if Starmer won’t stand up for us, we can’t support him.

I take your point MaizieD. But it's intended as an insult. I really just wish the right-wing on here could pick an actual real fault of the left wing and use that, instead of lazily resorting to completely untrue stereotypes. Lack of thought. Does that mean lack of political understanding?

GagaJo

MaizieD

^ The Corbyn Monentum gang don’t accept this country will never elect a party run by someone the believe to be ‘extreme’ left ie communist.^

I really think it's time that people were aware of what 'communism' actually is. Because nothing about Labour under the leadership of Corbyn was remotely 'communist'.

Exactly MaizieD. But it's a lazy way of insulting those of us on the left isn't it? It would be equalled by a left-winger called right-wingers Nazis.

Neither is true.

I don't really read it as an insult, GagaJo. After all the communist ideas and ideals were aspirational initially; it was their execution that inevitably failed because they failed to take account of human nature and the immensity (and futility) of the task of revolutionising a whole social order and economy.

I think it's a scare label used by people wo are actually ignorant of what communism actually is. Picked up from McCarthyism, I suspect, and never questioned.

Idealistic rather than deluded.

What are Boris' ideals? Personal gain.

I know which I prefer.

I think Corbyn is one very deluded man.

MaizieD

^ The Corbyn Monentum gang don’t accept this country will never elect a party run by someone the believe to be ‘extreme’ left ie communist.^

I really think it's time that people were aware of what 'communism' actually is. Because nothing about Labour under the leadership of Corbyn was remotely 'communist'.

Exactly MaizieD. But it's a lazy way of insulting those of us on the left isn't it? It would be equalled by a left-winger called right-wingers Nazis.

Neither is true.

MaizieD - I agree the LP under Corbyn’s leadership was in no way communist.

I quite agree with you Maizie. Communism is quite different to socialism.

^ The Corbyn Monentum gang don’t accept this country will never elect a party run by someone the believe to be ‘extreme’ left ie communist.^

I really think it's time that people were aware of what 'communism' actually is. Because nothing about Labour under the leadership of Corbyn was remotely 'communist'.

I think it will be a damp squib. The number of people, who will vote for him will be few. General elections are not byelections. Very few will vote for a party hung round an ex leader of any party who has been soundly trounced in the previous general election.

Most of his supporters were fair weather friends, carried away in the excitement of him leading the Labour party. Any way there were still not enough of them at any point to swing even one seat. He just might keep his own, but I doubt it.

I have lost count of the number of parties that have been set up over the last 50 years, in a froth of excitement and belief that THEY were the way forward - and have lasted a year at the most.

There is of course UKIP and the Green party, but Jeremy Corbyn lacks the chutzpa, and charismatic nastiness that made Nigel Farage such a hit - and even he never won a seat in Parliament, in fact UKIP never had one elected MP, only one who changed parties, and the the Green's have only had 1.

I think it's about time we had more options.

I have heard a few conservatives say they would vote Labour if it didn't represent the left wing.

I'd join a new party of his, as would my AC and many of their friends

If we are discussing family we could talk about Johnsons father that would be interesting, unpleasant but interesting.

Dickens

JenniferEccles

He could bring the completely loopy brother Piers onboard and give him a role, maybe Minister for Protests?

Got to be a vote catcher with some sectors surely?!

... why say that?

Jeremy Corbyn had his brother ejected from a party conference on one occasion because of his disruptive behaviour. He was heckling him during a climate change discussion.

I really doubt the two are close.

Whereas Boris and his brother are great mates-you remember Jo Johnson who resigned as a minister and MP because of Brexit

It was just a lighthearted comment Dickens!

JenniferEccles

He could bring the completely loopy brother Piers onboard and give him a role, maybe Minister for Protests?

Got to be a vote catcher with some sectors surely?!

... why say that?

Jeremy Corbyn had his brother ejected from a party conference on one occasion because of his disruptive behaviour. He was heckling him during a climate change discussion.

I really doubt the two are close.

that's pretty old (pre christmas) news

They're just another version of the Tories.

I just don't buy that one, GagaJo. There's no point in them appearing to be overly radical at the moment because they want voters and the electorate tends to be inherently small 'c' conservative. but I would never see them as corrupt and unfeeling as the tories.

Nor would I see them as pandering to big business, but I think they have a need to get SMEs on side because they are a vital part of our economy and have different objectives from the big corporations. As I have seen on a blog today, they are people working to earn a living. Which is different from those trying to extract as much wealth as possible from the economy. If this is seen as tory-lite I think it's shortsighted.

I never had a problem with some renationalisation as per the 2019 Labour manifesto, because it's not the source of the money that goes into nationalised industries and public services that matters, it's the effect it has on the real economy, through procurement and payment of wages that circulate to keep private enterprise going.

But, having said that, Labour are stymied every time by the 'how are you going to pay for it' question, in the way that the tories, with their small state & low tax policies, and their totally undeserved reputation for sound financial management, never are.

I'd actually be interested in some sound evidence that Labour are another version of the tories, with reference to their currently modest policies...

Jeremy Corbyn. A typo. No disrespect intended.

The trouble is it’s not a party the moderate left can vote for either.

I think a new party led by JeremybCirbyn would be a very good thing. It would put some clear water between differing views n the current Labour Party.

JenniferEccles

He could bring the completely loopy brother Piers onboard and give him a role, maybe Minister for Protests?

Got to be a vote catcher with some sectors surely?!

Couldn't be any worse than bent Boris.

But of course he wouldn't. He doesn't bad mouth his brother, but he doesn't support him either.

The way the Labour party stands right now is that it is not a party left-wingers can vote for. They're just another version of the Tories. And look where they've got us?