Another ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ movement? ?

I wouldn’t be sorry to see the back of him, Abbott and their small group of like minded MP’s.
I may be in the same group as you are Dickens. The Corbyn Monentum gang don’t accept this country will never elect a party run by someone the believe to be ‘extreme’ left ie communist.
Meanwhile ReeceMogg, Johnson, Farage and co are somehow seen as balanced in their political views.
I accept our press is largely right wing but younger people tend not to read newspapers or listen to the news. I’m unconvinced that my neighbours in red wall seats are dim and didn’t form their own negative views on Corbyn
Both our main parties need a shake up but this pandemic is obviously dominating the headlines

I think the unions will support Corbyn

He could bring the completely loopy brother Piers onboard and give him a role, maybe Minister for Protests?

Got to be a vote catcher with some sectors surely?!

If it happens one of the big issues will be who the Unions choose to support I think it's likely they will choose Corbyn, they don't like Starmer.

Apologies, Dickens

MaizieD

^The reality is that Corbyn is the wrong man with the right ideas (some of them, anyway).^

I absolutely agree, Casdon.

the only decent polition Jeremy Corbyn

Problem is, Grany, Corbyn is a decent man but a rotten politician. The antithesis of Johnson.

... err, that was me, not Casdon!

Corbyn is a decent man but a rotten politician...

This!

The reality is that Corbyn is the wrong man with the right ideas (some of them, anyway).

I absolutely agree, Casdon.

the only decent polition Jeremy Corbyn

Problem is, Grany, Corbyn is a decent man but a rotten politician. The antithesis of Johnson.

Galaxy

Corbyn lost in 2017 against the worst Tory campaign I have seen in my life It is much more complicated than demonisation by the press.

He eradicated a large tory polling lead, Galaxy. Labour actually gained 30 more seats from 2015.

Yes, they 'lost' in that they gained fewer seats than the tories, but it was a better result than 2015 under Ed Milliband.

I'm not a Corbynite, I just think that to say that Corbyn and Momentum put people off voting Labour for years is an exaggeration not borne out by the record.

#LabourLies: its offer to help with #Energy bills is what you neither want nor need

Here’s the problem with the binary choice that both the Conservatives and Keir Starmer’s Tepid Tories insist that voters in the UK have: it asks you to choose between options you don’t want.

The example here is energy bills. The Tories say the cost of energy is rising and you have to pay it. Labour has countered by saying they would impose measures to make that cost lower than the Tories would.

But Labour – under Starmer – is trying to deceive you with a tactic known as “Relative Privation”.

A tax on oil and gas producers would only induce them to increase our bills even more so that we cover the cost and their shareholders don’t take a hit; this is a natural consequence of handing control of a monopoly over to private companies.

And improving homes with insulation or by using better building methods – both of which are measures for which Insulate Britain has been campaigning and which are therefore anathema to the Tory government – would make those dwellings more expensive to future buyers, pushing home ownership even further beyond the reach of most people (which is not to say that Insulate Britain are wrong; the issue is about providing these features affordably).

The answer to the problem of our energy bills is, of course, re-nationalisation

This writer makes sense

voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/01/10/labourlies-its-offer-to-help-with-energy-bills-is-what-you-neither-want-nor-need/

And Wes Streeting talk of

Shadow Health Secretary Wes Streeting has stabbed the NHS in the back by saying a future Labour government would pay private health companies to reduce the Tory-created health treatment backlog.

Organisations within the NHS responded instantly by calling for healthcare workers to join a union and get organised – on the reasonable ground that “saving the NHS isn’t coming out of Westminster.”

So not surprised that people are backing, and wanting a Labour Party for the many,the only decent polition Jeremy Corbyn

I think this was inevitable.

The Corbynites are vehemently opposed to Starmer - I've been involved in some of the discussions in a FB group I belong to and it is obvious that there is no way the two factions are going to unite.

It has been pointed out to JC's supporters that the country - for many reasons - is just not going to accept what they consider to be a far-left party. The reasons why are a separate discussion.

I'm not personally opposed to the principle of "for the many not the few" - is a more fair and equitable society a bad thing? But JC is tainted, maybe unfairly, but tainted nevertheless and I don't think his new party will attract enough voters to make it feasible.

But I think the split needs to happen. The antagonism between the Starmer and Corbyn camps is endless, futile. I have written polite posts in my group suggesting that we unite under Starmer to defeat this current government as a starting point (not that I'm overly enthusiastic about the man), but have been met with such a barrage of rage-filled insults from the Corbyn camp that I've cancelled my membership of the group. Let them form a party and see how many votes they attract in the real world, and allow Starmer to develop a more realistic manifesto. The endless arguing is utterly pointless. The reality is that Corbyn is the wrong man with the right ideas (some of them, anyway).

Do these people simply not get that the more small parties we have, the longer we will be stuck with the Tories? What planet are they on? Where have they left their brains?

Corbyn lost in 2017 against the worst Tory campaign I have seen in my life It is much more complicated than demonisation by the press.

it was Corbyn and Momentum which put people off voting for the LP for years.

I would, with respect, disagree.

In the 2017 GE Labour very nearly did for the tories, May only got to form a government with the help of the DUP.

After that scare the media set about their Corbyn demonisation and destruction programme. Before that they'd been pretty 'normal' in their treatment of the LP. So, only 2 years of 'off putting'. It worked well, though, didn't it?

Casdon

I think longer term it’s far more threatening for the Tories than you are giving credit for if this does happen, because they are equally as divided between hard and moderate on the right, and it will polarise their MPs and members too. It will make for very interesting times I think with lots of changes of allegiance, it’s probably exactly what British politics needs at the moment.

I think that's right.

If the very left-leaning members and MPs leave to join this as yet un-named party then it could persuade those who are in the centre to re-join the LP and the electorate to vote for them again as it was Corbyn and Momentum which put people off voting for the LP for years.

Sadly, many 'decent' politicians have found, to their cost, that just having principles and starting a new political party is not enough, without huge amounts of money and backing, decency and a desire for change are just not enough. Look at the last GE, when Change UK was formed, 8 Labour and 3 Conservatives who were disillusioned by how their own party were going. Where are they now?

I'm quite excited and we should be helping by thinking of names for the new party!

Suggestions on a postcard please

Where are the sdp when you need them?
The SDP were responsible for splitting the anti-Tory vote, and sacrificed the futures of countless families for what turned out to be a pointless attempt to get power. This was repeated with their successors, the LibDems, and I will never forgive either.

kittylester

I'm with Casdon. We need an effective opposition and a more centrist party is the way forward.

Where are the sdp when you need them?

Would someone please explain how an opposition can be 'effective' when faced with a stonking great government majority? They can oppose legislation but it'll get through anyway.

MaizieD, you eloquently summarised what I was trying to say, thank you!

This will likely end up as just another niche minority party which will disappear. The problem is splitting the anti Tory vote will mean we are stuck with these monstrous overlords for years.

Interesting.

If Corbyn did start a new party would that kick off a new round of Corbyn demonisation in the media or would they stay quiet to facilitate a split Labour vote?

New parties never get very far; the last one to do so was the Labour party 100 years ago and they did it by moving into ground previously held by the Liberal Party. Any attempts since then have been failures.

The Red Wall constituencies comprehensively rejected Corbynism in 2019 and although polling shows that they are moving back to Labour I don't think they'd welcome Corbyn back. I'm not sure about the London constituencies. I think the the LibDems might be the winners there if the Labour vote is split.

The tory party is interesting, too. They are very split, with the small state, deregulation, low tax advocates in the ascendancy by virtue of the fact that there are sufficient of them to destroy the tory majority. Johnson is not the man to hold the party together; he has no principles, no real authority (he needed Labour support to get his mild set of covid restrictions through parliament) and no leadership qualities. How would the electorate react to the policies being pursued by the large tail that is wagging him if he gave in to them to retain power ? And, if he gives into them will the more reasonable tories go along with the 'remain in power at any cost' doctrine?

I'm with Casdon. We need an effective opposition and a more centrist party is the way forward.

Where are the sdp when you need them?

Of course the PM's delight might be tempered by the emergence a new Tory right wing party - fast forward NF. Oh dear all round.

A good shake up definitely is needed Casdon.

I think longer term it’s far more threatening for the Tories than you are giving credit for if this does happen, because they are equally as divided between hard and moderate on the right, and it will polarise their MPs and members too. It will make for very interesting times I think with lots of changes of allegiance, it’s probably exactly what British politics needs at the moment.