Is Boris Johnson revealing who he really is?

Brexit and Johnson have both ruined this country and for anyone to say they ‘lent him a vote to get brexit done’ makes me feel sick …..
thanks a million fir ruining this country

Whitewavemark2

Possibly. Time will tell. Perhaps he'll do something heroic in the meantime .

Whitewavemark2

kali yes in parliament this morning the government sent in someone to apologise for the latest party. Not a single minister was on the front bench showing support.

Johnson is done for.

Indeed. This made me laugh (well you have to ...otherwise!)

Tense days ahead as Boris Johnson waith to find out if enquiry ordered by Boris Johnson finds Boris Johnson attended a party at Boris Johnson's home

From HIGNFU!

LilacChaser

I don't think he's done for. It'll just take another 'big' news item and this will be forgotten.

I meant with his party - not necessarily the country at large.

He was warned by the 1922 before Christmas - no more scandals, corruption etc.

If he doesn’t go soon, the May elections will almost certainly see him off.

The apology I heard was for upset that the allegations of a party have caused.

I might be splitting hairs here, but to me, that wording really doesn't sound like an apology for actually having the party, but more like they are sorry about its becoming public knowledge and the fall-out from that.

I don't think he's done for. It'll just take another 'big' news item and this will be forgotten.

He’s been sussed now. I wonder what the next revelation will be

kali yes in parliament this morning the government sent in someone to apologise for the latest party. Not a single minister was on the front bench showing support.

Johnson is done for.

MayBee70

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

What is scary is the level both of corruption, authoritarianism in government and acceptance by Johnson’s supporters.

It seems to me that the only way to reverse this disastrous situation is to ensure the next government has a leader that has integrity, honesty, and supports a thriving democracy.

Anyone tainted by this government should not even be considered.

There are many many Conservatives who aren’t and never have been Mr.Johnson supporters.

Until there is a credible alternative they like myself remain politically homeless.

But Johnson got rid of those MP’s eg Dominic Grieve. And others: Anna Soubry, Rory Stewart etc made it clear they couldn’t stay in a party led by Johnson. Kenneth Clark was retiring anyway but also made it clear how he felt about Johnson. His own party members could see him for what he is and warned people but still the electorate voted for him.

Exactly, but I'd make one correction- they won't be able to return to a Party led by the ERG (Johnson is just an irrelevance now).

Urmstongran wrote: “I can’t believe what I’m reading in the Press this morning. 100 people invited by a senior civil servant (I thought they had more sense?) to a BYOB garden party which Boris & Carrie attended in May last year.”

With you on this. I want some good explanation of what the senior civil servant was thinking of. AFAIK if a Minister asks a civil servant to do something illegal/improper the civil servant must not do it, calling in backup (in this case the head of the civil service) as necessary.

Grandmagrim

I remember an anecdote about the making of a film depicting a grand prix crash. Time and time again the extras acting the role of spectators failed to respond with the horror that such a scene would have generated. As a last resort the director blew up the tea van. That got their attention. The British voting public are very good at not reacting to draconian legislations being snuck through parliament until the metaphorical tea van is blown up. Drink parties for big wigs may well prove to be the tea van.

Good imagery.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

What is scary is the level both of corruption, authoritarianism in government and acceptance by Johnson’s supporters.

It seems to me that the only way to reverse this disastrous situation is to ensure the next government has a leader that has integrity, honesty, and supports a thriving democracy.

Anyone tainted by this government should not even be considered.

There are many many Conservatives who aren’t and never have been Mr.Johnson supporters.

Until there is a credible alternative they like myself remain politically homeless.

But Johnson got rid of those MP’s eg Dominic Grieve. And others: Anna Soubry, Rory Stewart etc made it clear they couldn’t stay in a party led by Johnson. Kenneth Clark was retiring anyway but also made it clear how he felt about Johnson. His own party members could see him for what he is and warned people but still the electorate voted for him.

That was too maizie

That’s what I don’t understand. Why can’t the bills simply be repealed?

I wouldn't be surprised if he threw in the towel and wandered off with his family to pastures new.

This news of the May party really takes the biscuit. Are they totally stupid?

Many of No 10 staff were apparently shocked by the invite.

You can't cure stupid and this is the last straw.

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

Once we get rid of this populist load of right wingers, then I suspect rejoining the SM and CU will be a priority.

I can't see that happening, WwMk2 unless the tory MPs who are not in the ERG sphere of influence put the interests of the country above the interests of the tory party and go for a General Election. I think they will cling to power whatever the price.

I meant a new government. Nothing so democratic will ever happen whilst this set hold the reigns

But this lot will hang on to the reins for as long as they possibly can. They will continue to push through their anti protests legislation and their voter suppression legislation. They will do their best to overturn judicial independence and judicial review as a tool to hold them to account. They won't go for a GE until the damage is done. It will take an awful lot of undoing...

GrannyGravy13

GagaJo

End of what GG13? Discussion? Criticism of the government? Opinion?

The likelihood of bent Boris getting advisors with a moral compass is on a par with him giving up lying. Never going to happen.

Just getting fed up seeing Urmstongran harassed and somewhat bullied because she is honest in why and how she voted.

Anyone is free to use their vote however they choose in the U.K.

Oh come on I am pretty sure Urmston is quite able to stand up for herself !!

Saw an MP on telly this morning defending the No 10 garden gathering as being a thank you to those attending because they had been putting in 18 hour days with regularity. BYOB a treat? And........ why weren't they working from home like the rest of us? Furthermore he referred to their workplaces as 'grubby little office's in 10, 11 &12.

MaizieD

^Once we get rid of this populist load of right wingers, then I suspect rejoining the SM and CU will be a priority.^

I can't see that happening, WwMk2 unless the tory MPs who are not in the ERG sphere of influence put the interests of the country above the interests of the tory party and go for a General Election. I think they will cling to power whatever the price.

I meant a new government. Nothing so democratic will ever happen whilst this set hold the reigns

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

What is scary is the level both of corruption, authoritarianism in government and acceptance by Johnson’s supporters.

It seems to me that the only way to reverse this disastrous situation is to ensure the next government has a leader that has integrity, honesty, and supports a thriving democracy.

Anyone tainted by this government should not even be considered.

There are many many Conservatives who aren’t and never have been Mr.Johnson supporters.

Until there is a credible alternative they like myself remain politically homeless.

Yes I meant government of any colour that is not tainted by either populism or authoritarianism or both.

This can of course include a Tory government. Tory party members must do their stuff, if they want a healthy democracy, as it is looking sick at the moment.

MerylStreep

Why are some posters surprised? She has written anything that hasn’t been known for some months.

Many of us over the past year at lease have written about one or more of the topics raised in the NY Times article. However, some people have accused us of scaremongering or worse, haven't even thought about.

I think the attitude held by many as regards the limits to our freedoms is that since they are law abiding, nothing will happen to them. Some people want demonstrations stopped. Some people see nothing wrong with stop and search.

For a country that's had a parliament for hundreds of years it's so wrong that we are allowing this to happen. And, dare I say it, it's because of Brexit and the spurious claims about sovereignty, that this is happening.

Once we get rid of this populist load of right wingers, then I suspect rejoining the SM and CU will be a priority.

I can't see that happening, WwMk2 unless the tory MPs who are not in the ERG sphere of influence put the interests of the country above the interests of the tory party and go for a General Election. I think they will cling to power whatever the price.

Johnson is actually irrelevant in this dangerous game. He was only chosen because he fitted the profile that would attact votes from many. Just a tool- and will be discarded soon. What is behind is much much more sinister, the ERG.

Exactly, Kali2.

Getting rid of Johnson won't solve the problem we have now because the main contenders to succeed him are deeply in cahoots with the ERG gang and it is the ERG gang who hold the whip hand in parliament. There are enough of them to destroy Johnson's majority if he tries to travel in any direction other than the one they want.

There is nothing I would like more than to see him ignominiously depart from No 10 Downing Street, taking his ludicrously overpriced designer tat with him, but what would come next?

When the leading Leave campaigners were talking about a bonfire of red tape they weren't referring to EU red tape, they wanted to be free of EU regulation so as to pursue their agenda of UK deregulation. To do away with inconvenient regulation of workers' pay and conditions, food standards, environmental standards and those dratted Human Rights.

This is an explainer of 'Free Market Supply Policies', which is what they want:

www.economicshelp.org/macroeconomics/economic-growth/supply-side-policies/

I'm not sure that this is really what most people in the UK want.

This is it taken to extremes.

99-percent.org/what-is-the-market-fundamentalist-agenda/

Whitewavemark2

What is scary is the level both of corruption, authoritarianism in government and acceptance by Johnson’s supporters.

It seems to me that the only way to reverse this disastrous situation is to ensure the next government has a leader that has integrity, honesty, and supports a thriving democracy.

Anyone tainted by this government should not even be considered.

There are many many Conservatives who aren’t and never have been Mr.Johnson supporters.

Until there is a credible alternative they like myself remain politically homeless.

What is scary is the level both of corruption, authoritarianism in government and acceptance by Johnson’s supporters.

It seems to me that the only way to reverse this disastrous situation is to ensure the next government has a leader that has integrity, honesty, and supports a thriving democracy.

Anyone tainted by this government should not even be considered.