Will the Nation accept an apology? Will you?

No Farzanah you don’t have to be a regular to be noticed on the politics threads. Generally people don’t comment on other peoples posts unless they stand out for whatever reason - as you’ll have noticed often because they demonstrate prejudice or blinkered attitudes - or they say stupid things like ‘this is my opinion and I won’t respond when you tell me what you think’ because the whole point of a debating thread about politics is the debate! Keep on posting, it’s good to have new people on here.

Chestnut

Calistemon And families who ventured outside their tower blocks to let their children go outside to kick a ball around actually live together.
The severe lockdown you describe started in March 2020 and these kinds of restrictions had been eased by May 2020 and I remember lots of people were out and about.

On 6th June there was a huge Black Lives Matter demonstration in London with many thousands of unmasked people. Do these all come from the same household? Should they all be arrested and charged?

Everyone was up in arms about the demonstrators.
Why then, wouldn't the same be true of 'bring your own booze' dos put on by the rule makers?

GrauntyHelen

Absolutely not especially having heard what he had to say in the tearoom after his not very sincere apology!

Please do enlighten me. What did he say?

The way I see it, yes I’m sure lots of people didn’t follow the rules BUT they didn’t make the rules and there are not the government.

Absolutely not especially having heard what he had to say in the tearoom after his not very sincere apology!

I am amazed that ANYONE could possibly believe this government has done a good job with anything frankly !

Few examples, well try the poor woman still in prison in Iran, illegal PPE contracts, the proroguing of parliament, behaviour and subsequent forgiveness of Cummings, over 150,000 dead from covid or covid related conditions. This is just the tip of the iceberg , add into that taking the credit for the entire vaccination process which was down to scientists, virologists and our amazing NHS, not to mention scores of volunteers ! Consistent rule breaking and unclear processes for the rest of us ! Too many “normal” members of the public couldn’t hold the hands of their dying loved ones, women giving birth alone, not being able to attend funerals, yet Downing Street partied on, not just once but several times !

To my mind, he was probably reading a script written by someone else and it totally lacked any sincerity, honesty and integrity - rather like the PM himself.

Calistemon And families who ventured outside their tower blocks to let their children go outside to kick a ball around actually live together.
The severe lockdown you describe started in March 2020 and these kinds of restrictions had been eased by May 2020 and I remember lots of people were out and about.

On 6th June there was a huge Black Lives Matter demonstration in London with many thousands of unmasked people. Do these all come from the same household? Should they all be arrested and charged?

I dont think they will. However Kier Starmer isa hypocrite be abuse he did something very similarlar so he shouldn't be asking for his resignation action. If Boris party has had enough of him that's a different story. However I don't think any other person is likely to any better. Might as well hang on til 2024 anqd be done with it.

No, I will certainly not accept his apology. It’s just a step too far. When I worked in an office, a meeting was a meeting. If it involved alcohol it was a party. But if he does resign, who will fill his lying shoes?

Kali2

I won't, for sure.

I won't accept the tidL wave of destruction on our green fields by this govt or the killing off of our pubs and businesses by the extreme lockdowns and I fear a Labour govt would be no better

No - he should resign. I am concerned that he is being investigated by a woman with a track record of integrity and commitment to high values in public life BUT her boss is Boris Johnson. In what other organisation would you get someone to 'independly' investigate their boss and be expected to recommend sanctions if necessary? I wonder if Boris will see her report before we do - of course he will - and will he be able to demand changes......what do you think?

polnan

my thoughts? well,I think Boris was the fall guy for the Conservative Party when he was "chosen"ie they got in, on the Brexit vote.

and since then, the pandemic? who on earth would want the job now?

certainly not any Labour politician with any sense, and clearly no one on Labour wants it, (not saying that there is anyone there with sense!) but clearly they don`t want the job, else surely they would be telling us what THEY would or WILL do.

We will have the Tories in power until the next election which is likely to be in 2 years time (no longer) so is anybody, apart from LP supporters, going to listen to anything that they say they may do or not do?

I think it’s good to have entrenched views challenged westendgirl. Otherwise we just float along in a confirmation bias bubble.
Incidentally do I have to be a regular on here for anyone to take any notice of my posts?

Rumour has it there is more dirt to be dished....

twinnytwin

Yes - the thought of Labour or any of the other political parties running the country is much worse to my mind. Undoubtably Boris etc have made some stupid decisions, breaking their Covid rules, but they've also made excellent decisions that is seeing the UK coming out of the pandemic in a stronger position than most other countries.

This is my view, and I know many agree with me. I shan't be answering any comments from the usual suspects on GN as those who are regular readers of the News & Politics threads (but dare not post) know their views only too well.

What excellent decisions have they made? Who's telling you that the UK is coming out of the pandemic in a stronger position than most other countries?

The following is taken from the last ONS release dated 10 December. The next release is due tomorrow.

"Gross domestic product (GDP) is estimated to have grown by 0.1% in October 2021 and is 0.5% below its pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic level (February 2020)"

You cannot assume that it's good that it's only 0.5% below February 2020 because the figures for the prior periods weren't that brilliant.

Not this again...

Its like that Mussolini bloke. OK, he killed lots of people, but the trains ran on time and who else was there?

Best of a bad bunch, who else is there, got no faith in any of the politicians tbh

Absolutely not ! He needs to resign, but guessing he won’t !

What apology? He’s continuing to insist he thought it was a work related event, not a party. He back-tracked enormously from the initial ‘apology’ during PMQs.
His poor wives and girlfriends, how they were conned!

Do we have a choice ?. ???

my thoughts? well,I think Boris was the fall guy for the Conservative Party when he was "chosen"ie they got in, on the Brexit vote.

and since then, the pandemic? who on earth would want the job now?

certainly not any Labour politician with any sense, and clearly no one on Labour wants it, (not saying that there is anyone there with sense!) but clearly they don`t want the job, else surely they would be telling us what THEY would or WILL do.

It's a big fat NO from me. The hypocrisy of it all.

Has he? wow. Well done Prof.

I note that Professor Van Tam has resigned from his position as deputy chief medical officer.His comment..."the rules are clear and they have always been clear... in my opinion they apply to all "
He has always come across as a man of integrity.