Will the Nation accept an apology? Will you?

Chestnut

Mamie

Chestnut would you still think it acceptable if it had been (for example) teachers having a drink in the playground after school? Or off duty doctors in a hospital car park?

There is no reason why people who mix all day inside at work cannot go outside and stand in the open air! If those teachers and doctors want to stand outside after work then why not. Although I suspect they would prefer to go home.

When I read posts like yours, Chestnut I fully understand why Johnson thinks he can take the country for a ride.

Since when did 'going outside to stand in the open air' require an emailed invitation to do so and to bring a bottle and 'oh, what a surprise, there are tables laden with crisps and snacks and sausage rolls!'?

I just thank heaven that most of the electorate aren't so easily hoodwinked...

There was such a thing as a work bubble I believe.

Mamie

Chestnut would you still think it acceptable if it had been (for example) teachers having a drink in the playground after school? Or off duty doctors in a hospital car park?

There is no reason why people who mix all day inside at work cannot go outside and stand in the open air! If those teachers and doctors want to stand outside after work then why not. Although I suspect they would prefer to go home.

If he'd been honest from the start of all this, then maybe I would have accepted an apology but it's gone on far too long and he just kept on lying until finally he has been caught out and been forced into this position.
I think he has damaged the Conservative Party too much now and needs to go.

Alegrias1, exactly - a rose (or party) by any other name, is still..

Chestnut would you still think it acceptable if it had been (for example) teachers having a drink in the playground after school? Or off duty doctors in a hospital car park?

Chestnut

Chestnut

Just a thought. If the same people were all working together indoors then what difference does it make if they go outside for a break? Even if it did involve food and drink. This is not people from different households meeting up, but work colleagues who are together all the time anyway going outside the building. At least they were at work which is quite something.

I am quoting myself because my point has been ignored. I agree MissAdventure to invite 100 people seems a lot. I have no idea how many people work at No 10 but those that do would probably mix indoors during the course of their work, and it would make no difference if they mix outside. The question is who these 100 people are, because if they came from elsewhere then that is not acceptable, and the person issuing the invitation is responsible.
I see no problem with those that work inside going outside.

Exactly what I said. Totally agree. You’re not ignored...you’re just not saying what the majority on here want to hear. There’s only one highway here, and that’s’ my way!’

and it would make no difference if they mix outside.

It doesn't matter.

The rules were, no socialising, no meeting people outside. Hanging out in the garden with a glass of wine is socialising, not matter how you twist it. They weren't working, they were socialising. It doesn't matter who else was there, it doesn't matter how many of them there were (apparently 70 of the invitees had the sense to know that what was being proposed was unwise.)

The people who set the rules, broke the rules. The man at the top of the heap didn't think that was a problem. In fact he may have been complicit.

Chestnut

Just a thought. If the same people were all working together indoors then what difference does it make if they go outside for a break? Even if it did involve food and drink. This is not people from different households meeting up, but work colleagues who are together all the time anyway going outside the building. At least they were at work which is quite something.

I am quoting myself because my point has been ignored. I agree MissAdventure to invite 100 people seems a lot. I have no idea how many people work at No 10 but those that do would probably mix indoors during the course of their work, and it would make no difference if they mix outside. The question is who these 100 people are, because if they came from elsewhere then that is not acceptable, and the person issuing the invitation is responsible.
I see no problem with those that work inside going outside.

Kuenssberg said that she was told that Johnson complained after PMQs that he’d been forced to take the blame for others. That’s how genuine his so called apology was.

I also don’t see how a civil servant can independently hold an inquiry into her boss’ activities and present it to him to be signed off. Look what happened re Patel.

DiscoDancer1975

Farzanah

I’m not sure that over 150,00 deaths is “handling it well” Allsorts

There’s 70 million of us! It could have been much worse.

I think given the content of some of the posts on this thread the comment that "It could have been much worse" is particularly ill-considered.

There are issues in all parties with individual members. This would make your hair curl too.
inews.co.uk/news/tory-sleaze-allegations-claims-since-owen-paterson-lobbying-scandal-1300929
However, there’s a huge difference between individual member behaviour and the PM of the UK lying to the electorate and the House of Commons. That is inexcusable no matter what party you support.

It was discussed on a thread the other day.

Iam64

What about Ferrier? No one is defending her appalling behaviour. Of course she should have resigned. It has no relevance to this discussion about the liar who is our P M

Exactly, what is the relevance ?

You mean the Ferrier who was expelled from her party as soon as her rule breaking was discovered? The Ferrier who is going to trial later this year? The Ferrier who doesn't have a position of leadership in Parliament?

Let's treat Johnson exactly as we're treating Ferrier, shall we?

What about Ferrier? No one is defending her appalling behaviour. Of course she should have resigned. It has no relevance to this discussion about the liar who is our P M

Claudia Webbe MP who has been convicted of threatening to throw acid over her ex lovers new partner entered the House of Commons Chamber yesterday to cheers from the Labour benches yesterday.

I feel that is disgusting (both her and her cheering fellow MPs), noticeable hardly if any mention of her misdemeanour on GN.

Urmstongran

What about Ferrier? Less outrage over her. The SNP MP who went by train to Westminster, tested positive for Covid and yet travelled back to Scotland. She is still an MP (admittedly as an Independent). I think her crime was much more heinous yet she didn’t resign.

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What about Ferrier? Less outrage over her. The SNP MP who went by train to Westminster, tested positive for Covid and yet travelled back to Scotland. She is still an MP (admittedly as an Independent). I think her crime was much more heinous yet she didn’t resign.

Farzanah

I’m not sure that over 150,00 deaths is “handling it well” Allsorts

There’s 70 million of us! It could have been much worse.

Crossed post posh paws. I didn’t mean to be insensitive. I’m so sorry for your loss x

And while this is happening the government are still pushing all sorts of bills through parliament.

On 13th May - and only because a very kind Consultant gave me special permission to be there - I held my beloved husband's hand and tried to soothe him as he died in distress because of Covid-19.

Only 7 days later the Tories and the lump of lard that is the PM, threw a party for 100 people, while others even more unfortunate than I, suffered hugely as they either died alone or lived with the horror of not being able to comfort their loved ones as their life ended.

I realise that Boris Johnson suffers from every single recognised component of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and in my opinion is a Sociopath to boot, but I don't think that gives him a get-out.

I will NEVER forgive him for any of the myriad harmful things he's done to individuals and to this country as a whole.

I wouldn't like to be any member of the current Conservative Party come Judgement Day, and may God forgive me but I wish them nothing good.

More waffling with a muffled apology, one more lie to add to the list. What an insult to those adhering to his guidelines.

Yes, Johnson should resign but I do wonder who the puppeteers pulling Johnson’ strings have waiting in the wings?

100 were working together?
That's how many people were allegedly invited.