Will the Nation accept an apology? Will you?

MayBee70

I think personality disorder is a very strong term to use. I knew someone who had a personality disorder: not only did he have an adverse affect on the lives of people around him but he ended up taking his own life.

I googled it, because Im not knowledgeable kin this field.

Alegrias1

There are days when I wonder about this forum. There are days when I wonder if the people posting here are real people, or if they have some sort of personality disorder. Sociopathy, usually.

Today is one of those days.

Are you including yourself in that sweeping statement?

I think personality disorder is a very strong term to use. I knew someone who had a personality disorder: not only did he have an adverse affect on the lives of people around him but he ended up taking his own life.

Boris and the others who attended the byob in the garden should be given a fixed price penalty for breaking covid rules.

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Read Fanny’s post to which I replied MissA. I agree with you.

Thanks Lemon and sorry to hear of the shattering experience you had.

Why would anyone reproach THEMSELVES?

The hospitals or care homes wouldn’t have allowed them to see their relatives Fanny so they have nothing to reproach themselves for on that count.

Sorry that was supposed to reply to the comment above about a 30 mile lorry queue.

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t disagree with Chestnut. I’m getting fed up with all the people the media are trotting out to tell their stories of the very sad things happening in their lives when the do was held. The media have invited people to get in touch with their stories in a mawkish attempt to stir things up. Yes the stories are all very sad but we don’t yet have all the details of what happened and I’m sure everyone here has experienced the disbelief that life is going on when our personal world has temporarily ceased to turn. I’m no supporter of Boris but he did not cause the deaths. I just wish people would stop saying this was going on when x was happening in my life when they knew nothing of it until a few days ago.

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FannyCornforth That has nothing to do with my 'laughing' post, you are just creating drama where there is none.

Obviously I wasn't laughing at anything to do with the virus or with people dying, I was laughing at Alegrias's post which popped up with no explanation.

I don't see it reported anywhere. Are you sure?

No! No! No!
That is a resounding no from me!

Chestnut

FannyCornforth

Chestnut so now you are ‘crying with laughter’.
You really are being very insensitive now.

Insensitive to what? That relates to that one post where someone popped up and called me 'unbelievable', not to any other posts, so what are you talking about?

''You are understandably upset about the manner and circumstances surrounding her death, but I don't see how you can blame Boris for that.''

this is unbelievably insensitive and cruel. Mrsdof doesn't blame Johnson for the demise of her mother to the virus- but about the, fact she could NOT be with her, hold her hand, and tell her to go in peace- because she obeyed the rules Johnson made- WHICH HE CLEARLY FLOUTED, AGAIN AND SOME MORE - for jollies with his mates. If you can't see that, I truly despair.

Mrsdof, my sincere condoleances. I was not able to be with my mother, due to distance. But it is so wrong you could not be there, whilst Johnson and co had party fun. hugs

Chestnut

On second thoughts, don't answer that. I really don't want to know.

Never mind. I’m going to explain anyway.
It’s up to you whether you read.

A lot of people are genuinely traumatised by the events of the past few days.

People like the poster whose mum died asking for her, are questioning if they did the correct thing by following ‘the rules’.

They now wish that, like Johnson and his mates, had just ignored them and gone ahead and seen their ill or dying relative etc.

They are questioning if they did ‘the right thing’.

And yesterday JRM suggested that Johnson and his mates were unable to keep to ‘the rules’ (that they made) because they were too difficult to keep.

Mrsdof ♥️

Thank God for media.

Not knowing doesn't excuse it.

The fact is that Boris is a serial liar never mind the rest. You would not have anyone in your friends circle who was perpetually massaging the truth and taking you for a fool, so why would one want someone like that as PM?

I don’t disagree with Chestnut. I’m getting fed up with all the people the media are trotting out to tell their stories of the very sad things happening in their lives when the do was held. The media have invited people to get in touch with their stories in a mawkish attempt to stir things up. Yes the stories are all very sad but we don’t yet have all the details of what happened and I’m sure everyone here has experienced the disbelief that life is going on when our personal world has temporarily ceased to turn. I’m no supporter of Boris but he did not cause the deaths. I just wish people would stop saying this was going on when x was happening in my life when they knew nothing of it until a few days ago.

On second thoughts, don't answer that. I really don't want to know.

FannyCornforth

Chestnut so now you are ‘crying with laughter’.
You really are being very insensitive now.

Insensitive to what? That relates to that one post where someone popped up and called me 'unbelievable', not to any other posts, so what are you talking about?

No it's the latest 'last straw' he's gotta go. Trouble is the next one may be accepted by the ajority after such a traumatic term with this idiot and they'll get in AGAIN! We never learn.

MayBee70

Chestnut

Mrsdof

NO! NEVER! My Mum died in hospital at 101yrs old from COVID in Oct. 2020 and the nurse called me to say she only had a very short time left and would I like to speak to her because she was crying for me. I did but it was dreadfully upsetting because she was calling my name and begging me to go and see her, but of course I couldn’t. Every time I see that smarmy bastard making excuses reduces me to tears. My Mum calling for me is something I will never forget

Mrsdof It is very sad to hear about your mother, and I'm sure we all send our condolences. But how can you blame Boris when it was the virus that killed her. The virus does what viruses are very good at, spreading from person to person, and your mother was at such an advanced age it is very unlikely she would survive it. You are understandably upset about the manner and circumstances surrounding her death, but I don't see how you can blame Boris for that.

Have you any idea how insensitive to say that an elderly person who dies from covid would have died anyway. It happened to me last year when my 96 year old friend died from covid and the remarks I had at the time still hurt.

I didn't say she 'would have died anyway'. What nonsense. She would not have died if she had not caught the virus. I'm sure you know how deadly the virus was to the very elderly 90s and over which is why they were the first to be vaccinated.

No way!!