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Will the Nation accept an apology? Will you?

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Kali2 Wed 12-Jan-22 12:59:55

I won't, for sure.

TanaMa Thu 13-Jan-22 13:53:01

Haven't seen any 'apologies' from any of the other party attendees!!

Gwenisgreat1 Thu 13-Jan-22 13:48:26

Anyone who conducts a business meeting with alcohol, raises my suspicions

Nannina Thu 13-Jan-22 13:31:55

gillyknits

We are being manipulated by Dominic ,Cumming who releases drops of information to tarnish the prime minister.

Probably but they are true, hence the ‘apology’ that wasn’t. Boris has a sense of privilege and entitlement with no moral compass, making it easy for him to treat the general population as mugs. His ‘apology’ is further proof and only rubs salt in the wound.

Farzanah Thu 13-Jan-22 13:31:30

Johnson has insulted the intelligence of the British people with his weak excuses and especially those who because of the rules (he made) were unable to see loved ones on their death beds.

Problem being even if he goes, there are other MPs popping up in the media actually supporting him, who I think are just as bad. Also if I was Scottish conservative I would not appreciate the leader of the Scottish Tories being called “lightweight” by a true lightweight Rees -Mogg.

Treetops05 Thu 13-Jan-22 13:30:49

Nope, but the people who vote for him will...

GrammarGrandma Thu 13-Jan-22 13:17:08

I don't think so. Too many people have terrible sad stories about obeting the rules on that day.

lightallan Thu 13-Jan-22 13:14:09

Let he who has not transgressed throw the first stone.

yogitree Thu 13-Jan-22 13:13:16

But the 'enquiry' is being carried out by someone who works for him! There should be an independent enquiry.

EmilyHarburn Thu 13-Jan-22 13:12:43

It is a resigning matter. The final one in a long list of misdemeanours.

grandtanteJE65 Thu 13-Jan-22 13:12:36

Will it make any difference whether or not the nation accepts Johnson's apology?

Do you really think he will suddenly turn into a truthful person or a capable prime minister?

Even if a Gallup poll or the like shows that the majority of the country's adults are against him , do you really think he will resign?

A Parliamentary vote of no confidence in him and his government might force him to resign - nothing else will.

IF he is forced out of office, a whole new can of worms will be opened.

Who do you see replacing him?

Has anyone the slightest chance of cleaning up any of the messes he has made?

Alegrias1 Thu 13-Jan-22 13:05:06

Tell me the truth.

Is it Russian bots?

Is it?

There can't be so many people who think "there's nobody any better" is a good excuse for sticking with this guy?

Mind you it would explain a lot.

Lucca Thu 13-Jan-22 12:57:39

i tend to look at the whole picture. Which is ??

Shelagh6 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:56:50

Who is going to take over from Johnson? There aren’t too many who could or would want to do it. Boris Johnson is apparently very approachable,charismatic, wins elections, lies like a trooper and I think he’ll get away with it this time. The Opposition is weak - imagine if we’d had Corbyn at the start of the Pandemic - for that alone I think BJ must stay.

GillT57 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:56:00

Theoddbird

Everyone makes mistakes...I tend to look at the whole picture. Lot of people casting stones...presume they are all perfect.

Yup. I can, hand on heart, say that I did not break a single covid19 lockdown regulation, I did not meet anyone, stood shivering on doorsteps, at a distance, to hand over birthday gifts to friends, met my DS, outside, in a car park, on my own. And, I certainly did not have any pals around in the garden, drinking wine, until it was permitted. Frankly, I feel a bit of a mug now.

Lucca Thu 13-Jan-22 12:55:26

Stammer ? Starmer I guess, I am just asking what rules he is known to have broken ?

Galaxy Thu 13-Jan-22 12:52:49

You seem to be quite mad at people you dont know.

Nannashirlz Thu 13-Jan-22 12:43:41

We’re you a Boris fan before you put your answer. I want to know no who’s got it in for him for all this stuff to come out now. But it doesn’t surprise me just look at how many other MPs and famous ppl who thought rules only applied to us and none of them. Who also broke them. Not sure how you can get mad at someone you don’t no. How can you say stammer didn’t break any rules were you with him 24/7 ? yeah you probably be right he will have being on his fence ?

Rose30 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:43:10

Should have said "self-serving politicians"

Rose30 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:41:33

Absolutely not - had enough of useless MPs too. 50 years ago I worked for an MP who owned and ran a Hampshire estate. He had been in the Army, as a headmaster had turned a public school around, was a MFH (that was fun when the anti hunting lobby sought his support!) and an all round "good egg". I am fed up with the career politicians who have little experience of the outside world.

Bluecat Thu 13-Jan-22 12:39:59

Max Hastings, who was Johnson's editor at the Daily Telegraph, said that Boris Johnson wouldn't recognise the truth in an identity parade. Even before our current PM was elected, Hastings said that he wass unfit for public office because he only cares about his own fame and gratification and, although he sees himself as another Churchill, he is more of an Alan Partridge. His housemaster at Eton said in his school report that, having failed to work hard enough, "Boris seems to be genuinely affronted that an exception isn't made in his case."

These are two people who knew Johnson well and they paint a picture of someone who sees himself as special, thinks only of his own interest and has no regard for the truth. This assessment has been confirmed, if anyone was in any doubt, by the lies and bluster about the parties.

I have some sympathy with those who say that the fuss about the parties is a distraction from the terrible mess our country is in. It is true that we are in a quagmire of corruption and incompetence, as Brexit bites, we become the first European country to pass 150,000 Covid deaths, a third of all UK kids live in poverty, and people die waiting for ambulances and cancer operations because billions that could have gone to the NHS have been squandered on things that weren't fit for purpose, like the Test and Trace system or the PPE contracts. But the anger about the parties is based on a matter of principle.

The principle is that those who make the law must obey it. If those who create the rules don't follow them, how can they expect the rest of us to do so? And they have not only broken their own laws, they have also lied about it shamelessly. They have lost any shred of moral authority.

During lock down, people were fined £10,000 for organising parties. I am waiting with interest to see the organisers of the Government's parties pay similar fines.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 13-Jan-22 12:39:09

Can I borrow it after Lucca please? Done a great job? Made ‘a’ mistake? And as Uncle Tom Cobley and all know, I vote Tory (but not for BJ).

Alegrias1 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:36:16

Here you go Lucca.

Its getting a bit worn out now. Wall's still standing though.

Lucca Thu 13-Jan-22 12:34:38

Alegrias1 please lend me your head against brick wall emoji

Lucca Thu 13-Jan-22 12:33:55

F1Grandma2

No he shouldn’t resign. He has done a great job since the pandemic began. There was no precedent to follow and I don’t think the current opposition party would have done any better. All I’ve heard is criticism not suggestions about things might be done better. Yes, he made a mistake and he should have apologised earlier. I’m sure he isn’t the only parliamentarian, across all parties, who has gone against ‘the rules’. It just so happens that he got caught out and others didn’t. He didn’t kill anyone - the virus did that, or added to other underlying conditions speeded up someone’s death. This event happened so long ago and we must move on. I accept his apology, am grateful for my vaccines and booster, and look forward to post pandemic life. If Sir Kier had had his way we would have been locked down for the last 2 years and still would be! Then where would the economy be…..

What on earth do you base the assertion that Starmer would have had lockdowns for the last two years on ??
Sorry but that’s absolute prejudiced nonsense.

BlackSheep46 Thu 13-Jan-22 12:33:51

MissAdventure: That's not entirely true- there are some decent politicians still round. We just want a decent person to lead our country. Boris is a buffoon and not the image that we need for Great Britain in the world. The sooner a decent person steps up to be our PM the better.