Part of me wants him to cling on……

Its a discussion board Holysox. We discuss things. That means if somebody makes a post that is based on nothing but misplaced belief with no justification, somebody somewhere is going to tell them that their post is maybe, just a wee bit, wrong. And when I offer structured discussion I often get the accusation that I'm a swot who spends all day googling.

I started a thread some time back to discuss the difference between fact and opinion, and oh, did I get some abuse for it. But there is a difference, and those who tell us that this is my opinion, while they are perfectly entitled to it, can expect to be questioned if the opinion is based on shaky ground.

This is News and Politics, not Gransnet Cafe. Not Religion/Spirituality. So I'm sorry, I don't have much truck with the idea that there are many poor downtrodden Tory-voting Brexiters who are scared to post. That's not generally been my experience of Tory voting Brexiters.

Sorry Holysox but saying you have received private messages supporting you cuts no mustard. This is a public forum, and posters should be prepared to say what they think publicly, have the courage of their own convictions and equally be prepared to take the brickbats if others don’t agree with them. If they don’t post, to be frank they don’t count because they have no voice.

The forum is not aggressive, if somebody says something you don’t like you have the right of reply. There isn’t one voice coming from people with different views to you, everybody else has a different perspective both to you and to each other.

Alegrias1

^And yet another uncalled for sarcastic remark! You can see why so many Grans don't like posting when it's such a toxic environment.^

Is this today's agreed theme - make people think there are lots of nervous grans hiding away because they're intimidated by the big bad lefty remainers who scare them off? I mean, its not like we accuse them of something they've not done, with no proof. That would be nasty, wouldn't it?

I have been pm'ed by some who agree with my points but are too afraid to post an acknowledgement openly. There is a very aggressive element on the News/Politics thread. Usually using 'belittling' comments rather than offer a structured discussion. I have often had my posts ridiculed by the anti-B posse. (B being Brexit or Boris). They even have the audacity of calling me the bully on one thread.
But then there's the old advice 'don't talk about politics or religion!'

Purplepixie

I hate to think who they will put in the place of Boris. I cannot stand the bloke but the runners up are just as bad. All of the political parties have had parties! None are better than the other.

Where's the evidence of the other parties that all the political parties have had, please Purplepixie? The ones that broke the rules?

I'm more than happy with my posts Kandinsky.

And yes, accuse is a good word sometimes. When it fits. When somebody accuses someone else of doing something without any grounds. Accuse. Good word. I could have added falsely, but I didn't.

You don't find me funny? Oh well, never mind. Another career avenue closes.

I hate to think who they will put in the place of Boris. I cannot stand the bloke but the runners up are just as bad. All of the political parties have had parties! None are better than the other.

Also, you’re seriously not funny so please stop trying.

The words you use Alegrias1 -‘accuse them’ like they’ve committed a crime
I think you need to look at your posts & see how they come across.

Grrr!

Well I personally think a few remainers do come across as very intimidating.

And yet another uncalled for sarcastic remark! You can see why so many Grans don't like posting when it's such a toxic environment.

Is this today's agreed theme - make people think there are lots of nervous grans hiding away because they're intimidated by the big bad lefty remainers who scare them off? I mean, its not like we accuse them of something they've not done, with no proof. That would be nasty, wouldn't it?

"It's a marathon, not a sprint"

According to Jacob Rees Mogg, who I think actually supported brexit, it will be fifty years before it gives us any positive effect.

Alegrias1

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength.

I vote(d) Conservative but I don't vote Conservative.

^Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.^

And yet another uncalled for sarcastic remark! You can see why so many Grans don't like posting when it's such a toxic environment.

HolySox

varian

"What loss of trade?-I have one son who works all the time with Europe. He was worried this would go. It hasn’t. In fact their workload has increased. The same with my husband who takes European Research. No problem at all." posts a brexit supporter.

One notable characteristic of brexit supporters has always been a tendency to quote anecdotal evidence rather than serious analyses.

The appalling damage which has been done to UK export trade because of brexit is starkly set out in these charts from the OBR.

obr.uk/box/the-initial-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade-with-the-eu/

Noone is surprised by these graphs. We've only just left. Of course they did state it is difficult to determine how much the figures are skewed because of the pandemic. Also lot of UK/EU trade has suffered due to border changes. This may yet recover.
As I've said before such a drop is expected and it has not been the calamity remainders feared. I have confidence Britain will still prosper in years to come as we adapt to our new position in the world. Certainly worth not selling out our nationality to the EU - whoever they may be.

?? It's a marathon not a sprint.

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength.

I vote(d) Conservative but I don't vote Conservative.

Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

Blondiescot

Chestnut

Blondiescot

"I don't vote Conservative...but I do". That's got to rank on a par with "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...

If you're referring to me giving Boris credit for something (despite his many failings) firstly I never voted Conservative in my whole life until Labour made such a pig's ear of running the country. After that I started voting Conservative in desperation to keep them out. That does not make me a follower or supporter of Boris. I know he's a walking disaster area and someone else would be better. I don't admire Boris, I just give credit where I think it's due and that could apply to anyone. Even Corbyn has his good points ?

I was actually referring to DiscoDancer1975, but if the cap fits...

Maybe you should quote the message you're referring to otherwise no-one knows what you're talking about. And I think Disco Dancer made it perfectly clear she voted Conservative once to ensure Brexit went through. That doesn't make her a long time Conservative voter so the sarcastic remark was uncalled for.

But we never sold our "nationality". The French are still French, the Germans are German, etc etc. They have their own languages, customs and traditions.

Nationality? Whatever that may be!

Remainders? Sorry remainers of course.

varian

"What loss of trade?-I have one son who works all the time with Europe. He was worried this would go. It hasn’t. In fact their workload has increased. The same with my husband who takes European Research. No problem at all." posts a brexit supporter.

One notable characteristic of brexit supporters has always been a tendency to quote anecdotal evidence rather than serious analyses.

The appalling damage which has been done to UK export trade because of brexit is starkly set out in these charts from the OBR.

obr.uk/box/the-initial-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade-with-the-eu/

Noone is surprised by these graphs. We've only just left. Of course they did state it is difficult to determine how much the figures are skewed because of the pandemic. Also lot of UK/EU trade has suffered due to border changes. This may yet recover.
As I've said before such a drop is expected and it has not been the calamity remainders feared. I have confidence Britain will still prosper in years to come as we adapt to our new position in the world. Certainly worth not selling out our nationality to the EU - whoever they may be.

Labour or Conservative anyone can see the faults in a leader whose own Party do not respect him enough to obey what he is telling Joe public to do especially when he is breaking the rules himself.
Boris is what Max Hastings said he was right at the begining though will the Concervative party get rid of him? I think not if they believe he could win the next election for them.

Chestnut

Blondiescot

"I don't vote Conservative...but I do". That's got to rank on a par with "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...

If you're referring to me giving Boris credit for something (despite his many failings) firstly I never voted Conservative in my whole life until Labour made such a pig's ear of running the country. After that I started voting Conservative in desperation to keep them out. That does not make me a follower or supporter of Boris. I know he's a walking disaster area and someone else would be better. I don't admire Boris, I just give credit where I think it's due and that could apply to anyone. Even Corbyn has his good points ?

I was actually referring to DiscoDancer1975, but if the cap fits...

"What loss of trade?-I have one son who works all the time with Europe. He was worried this would go. It hasn’t. In fact their workload has increased. The same with my husband who takes European Research. No problem at all." posts a brexit supporter.

One notable characteristic of brexit supporters has always been a tendency to quote anecdotal evidence rather than serious analyses.

The appalling damage which has been done to UK export trade because of brexit is starkly set out in these charts from the OBR.

obr.uk/box/the-initial-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade-with-the-eu/

No Chestnut. That description at 17:48 was easy to understand and also explained why one DD-an ardent Labour supporter switched after L were last in power.

Voting conservative then saying you don't vote conservative.

It's not us with the comprehension problems.

I didn't vote Conservative until after the last Labour government. Is that too much to understand?