Part of me wants him to cling on……

lemongrove and Urmstongran it’s not easy holding different views to the majority of the very prolific posters on the N & P threads.

Urmstongran

‘Some recollections may vary’ varian ?

Don't you recall the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation inviting Farage onto Question Time no less than 29 times in the run up to the fraudulent referendum of 2016 UG?

rafichagran

Urmstongran

We just view things differently Bluebelle. That’s allowed.

Yes I agree. I voted remain, but accept people have differing opinions, some remainers have become very rude and aggressive to opinions differing from theirs. As for finding it hard to forgive people who voted Brexit, remember to are just a voter like everyone else and that attitude is very high handed.
Boris, I do think he should go, he is a liar, and his party antics were very wrong.

rafichagran
Yes, that’s how this forum has become, deeply depressing place to be for much of the time.

Urmstongran

Lord Adonis tweets? He’s salivating I expect ...

You do have a nasty, childish way of expressing meaningless things at times, Ug.

Lord Adonis tweets? He’s salivating I expect ...

‘Some recollections may vary’ varian ?

My post was in response to UG

This is gooblededook.

Brexit would never have happened, Johnson would never have become PM without the help of the BBC.

One must ask who stands to benefit from the blond defenestration being talked of.

The whole country. That's who stands to gain. Paranoia's not a good look for the Telegraph.

As far as Brexit's concerned, the ba's on the slates, game's a bogey.

I found this an interesting comment, in an article in the Telegraph today:

“One must ask who stands to benefit from the blond defenestration being talked of. Lord Adonis, the Remainer whose frankness is so helpful to the other side, tweeted this week: “If Boris goes, Brexit goes.” That is the idea. That is the constant motivation of a minority of unreconciled Tory MPs and a majority of the Great and the Good in the Civil Service, academia, the law, the House of Lords and the BBC, which is carefully managing this current story for the political effect it has always wanted.”

An update on Boris and Carrie’s refurb

rafichagran

Urmstongran

We just view things differently Bluebelle. That’s allowed.

Yes I agree. I voted remain, but accept people have differing opinions, some remainers have become very rude and aggressive to opinions differing from theirs. As for finding it hard to forgive people who voted Brexit, remember to are just a voter like everyone else and that attitude is very high handed.
Boris, I do think he should go, he is a liar, and his party antics were very wrong.

Thank you rafichagran for your kinder stance and reasonable viewpoint.

MayBee70

DiscoDancer1975

As many of you are saying Brexit isn’t done yet, how can we Brexiteers possibly write a list of the good it’s done?!

Well, one of the benefits touted by leave was that the government could cut VAT on energy if we left the EU. But, faced by a huge hike in energy prices that will cripple many households, the government last week voted against cutting VAT on energy.

That was a lie in any case. Sovereign countries within the EU can set any rate of VAT they deem fit.

DiscoDancer1975

As many of you are saying Brexit isn’t done yet, how can we Brexiteers possibly write a list of the good it’s done?!

Well, one of the benefits touted by leave was that the government could cut VAT on energy if we left the EU. But, faced by a huge hike in energy prices that will cripple many households, the government last week voted against cutting VAT on energy.

DiscoDancer1975

Blondiescot

Brexit done, really? And just look at the sh**storm that's left us with...

What is that then? Where are your ‘ lists’? At the moment, as far as I can see, the U.K. hasn’t imploded, unless you count the pandemic which would have occurred with or without Brexit.

Well, apart from the whole NI situation, there's also a massive increase in red tape for businesses which import goods from the EU, the return of roaming charges for mobile phone use, the likely imposition of visa charges to visit various EU countries and a shortage of workers in various business sectors (which used to rely heavily on EU workforce). That's just a few examples...

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

And of course we know that Cummings is working to promote Sunak.

I think you are wrong on that, Mr. Cummings and Mr. Gove go back a long way. He is working along in the background to get Mr. Gove in as PM.

We shall see.

What I meant to post but got distracted was, that there was a long article in the guardian magazine today written by a Cambridge Professor and follower of Cummings blog.

His opinion is that Cummings is backing Sunak.

Josieann

^Hetty, I think you are so right about the permanently lost votes of mourners. However they would not be nearly enough to depose the current majority.^
I think that any voters who were dealt an unfair hand in this debacle will naturally and understandably withdraw their support from the Conservative party. But how great is that number in the bigger picture?
As far as the figures go though, there will be others, 1 in 10 households for example, who were grateful for the stamp duty holiday to move house. They will vote for them because they had extra cash to spend, and in addition the tradesmen who benefitted will also vote for the party who protected their livelihoods.
Maybe the numbers will cancel each other out.

Yes, plus all the people / firms grateful for money when the Pandemic hit, so that jobs were protected.

Just now isn’t the best time for a resignation, but if things are no better by Spring then that would be the best time ( if we are still doing well as regards to Covid.)
Electing a new PM takes time and distracts from important political business.
Of course it would be best for the Conservative Party too, to have a safe/ clean pair of hands at the helm and time for them to garner support for a GE in a couple of years time.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

And of course we know that Cummings is working to promote Sunak.

I think you are wrong on that, Mr. Cummings and Mr. Gove go back a long way. He is working along in the background to get Mr. Gove in as PM.

We shall see.

Sorry not the Cinservative party but rmthe people who attended the Downing Street drinks.

Urmstongran

We just view things differently Bluebelle. That’s allowed.

Yes I agree. I voted remain, but accept people have differing opinions, some remainers have become very rude and aggressive to opinions differing from theirs. As for finding it hard to forgive people who voted Brexit, remember to are just a voter like everyone else and that attitude is very high handed.
Boris, I do think he should go, he is a liar, and his party antics were very wrong.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

The point is if Johnson stays, we will be clueless as to the policies we can look forward to until the next election. Johnson got voted in because, apparently, for Brexit, but that of course was when he was being frog marched and guided by Cummings. Since Cummings left Johnson has lurched from one form of chaos to another.

Johnson has no original ideas of his own - he has no ideas, which is why he is thrall to the ultra right of his party and delivering blow after blow to our democracy.

Your post is doing a great disservice to all the exceptional Conservative constituency MP’s Whitewavemark2

I have been reminded/prompted repeatedly on the political threads that in the U.K. we do not vote for the PM we vote for our local MP.

(The ways to remove a PM are if his constituents vote him out a general election, they resign or there is a vote of no confidence and they are ousted by the party.)

I have been reminded/prompted repeatedly on the political threads that in the U.K. we do not vote for the PM we vote for our local MP.

Indeed we do, GG13, but in voting for our local MP we are also voting for the party of government.

However wonderful and caring your local MP might be, however they do their best to help their constituents, once they are in parliament, unless they are exceptional or devoted adherents of the party leader and their policies, they are little more than lobby fodder, trooping through obediently to support proposed government legislation.

The constituency work could be done by any decent person, whatever their party allegiance. That is why any intelligent person needs to look carefully at the party's policies and the leader, who sets the tone, before deciding which party they would prefer to see in power.

I could recite the awful legislation that your 'decent' MP supports or has supported, but if you can't see how awful some of it is, and take responsibility for enabling it with your vote, there is no point.

But how great is that number in the bigger picture?

Might be enough. If they don't forget how they feel today. Maybe a bit of extra money in their pockets won't be enough of a bribe.

For those who don't want to open the links, Labour leads the Tories in voting intention by between 4% and 6%

www.statista.com/statistics/985764/voting-intention-in-the-uk/

redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-10-january-2022/

www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/

Hetty, I think you are so right about the permanently lost votes of mourners. However they would not be nearly enough to depose the current majority.
I think that any voters who were dealt an unfair hand in this debacle will naturally and understandably withdraw their support from the Conservative party. But how great is that number in the bigger picture?
As far as the figures go though, there will be others, 1 in 10 households for example, who were grateful for the stamp duty holiday to move house. They will vote for them because they had extra cash to spend, and in addition the tradesmen who benefitted will also vote for the party who protected their livelihoods.
Maybe the numbers will cancel each other out.

I missed something pretty important to me and had to see my daughter with LD suffer during various lockdowns and restrictions and now she needs to see a specialist psychologist. I wont be alone. The various restrictions have affected everyone I imagine in one way or another but I tend to feel if rules were to be broken they should have been broken at the expense of loved ones at the end of life having company, vulnerable people having their needs met and a whole host of other things other than having parties at number 10. My own daughter in her 20s had an automatic dNR put her on her notes whilst they were eating cheese, drinking wine and socialising. That isn't fair or democratic or in any way moral

Whitewavemark2

And of course we know that Cummings is working to promote Sunak.

I think you are wrong on that, Mr. Cummings and Mr. Gove go back a long way. He is working along in the background to get Mr. Gove in as PM.