Part of me wants him to cling on……

It's not just the lost votes of mourners though is it, it's those who saw what happened to people, and I would be surprised if that's not the vast majority of voters. I watched my neighbour go into hospital never to return her sons unable to visit. Her sons who sat in her garden following every single rule. My whole street saw that and that will have been played out up and down the country. Many many voters.

I don’t agree with you now Pammiel, although six months ago I would have. I think Starmer has now got a strong shadow cabinet, and they have collectively been very articulate in making effective criticism of the government, both at PMQ and in other fora - people are noticing them and seeing them as real opposition again. Things are moving very rapidly, what’s really interesting is that recent events have captured the interest of younger voters and they are more likely to turn out to vote next time. .

And of course we know that Cummings is working to promote Sunak.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

The point is if Johnson stays, we will be clueless as to the policies we can look forward to until the next election. Johnson got voted in because, apparently, for Brexit, but that of course was when he was being frog marched and guided by Cummings. Since Cummings left Johnson has lurched from one form of chaos to another.

Johnson has no original ideas of his own - he has no ideas, which is why he is thrall to the ultra right of his party and delivering blow after blow to our democracy.

Your post is doing a great disservice to all the exceptional Conservative constituency MP’s Whitewavemark2

I have been reminded/prompted repeatedly on the political threads that in the U.K. we do not vote for the PM we vote for our local MP.

(The ways to remove a PM are if his constituents vote him out a general election, they resign or there is a vote of no confidence and they are ousted by the party.)

Well I don’t do either. I vote for policies.

That is what my post is about. I am clueless as to his policies, except the fact that he is in thrall to the ERG. We know what their policies are. I suspect that they (the ERG) will promote Sunak, as he is the sort of free market, small state, politician they promote.

Much as I think the whole situation is a disgrace, who would replace Mr Johnson? I don't like Ms Patel, I don't trust Mr Gove and I know nothing about Ms Truss. Mr Sunak does not have the parliamentary experience really, as he was parachuted in as Chancellor and I think should remain as Chancellor,as he is good in the role. I don't think he has the experience to be PM. I cannot think of anyone else who would make a good PM.

Hetty, I think you are so right about the permanently lost votes of mourners. However they would not be nearly enough to depose the current majority. I too wonder what awful legislation is being passed under our noses behind this current and awful smokescreen.

Esspee

……so that the Conservatives are wiped out in the next election.

Your thoughts?

I think that the Labour Party have a lot of work to do if they are to be considered an effective opposition by the next election. You may be right - perhaps BJ hanging on may make them a more attractive option than the same old sleaze.

Mollygo

Riverwalk, evidently Starmer was out for drinks with friends during lockdown as well and using the same excuse as BJ.
Two wrongs don’t make a right but I suspect there’ll be more revelations like this about all politicians to come.
Politicians and truth ?

No he wasn’t ‘out drinking with friends during lockdown.’ He was canvassing and visited a brewery as part of that. He politely accepted the offer of a bottle of beer. Absolutely no rules broken and a world away from BYOB parties, followed by pathetic excuses that they had all been working hard so deserved it. They weren’t working so hard that they couldn’t find the energy to dance the night away into the early hours. Party on dudes, see you at the next election.

As many of you are saying Brexit isn’t done yet, how can we Brexiteers possibly write a list of the good it’s done?!

Blondiescot

Brexit done, really? And just look at the sh**storm that's left us with...

What is that then? Where are your ‘ lists’? At the moment, as far as I can see, the U.K. hasn’t imploded, unless you count the pandemic which would have occurred with or without Brexit.

As has been mentioned already he has been busy with Save Big Dog planning. This has been widely reported.

Whitewavemark2

The point is if Johnson stays, we will be clueless as to the policies we can look forward to until the next election. Johnson got voted in because, apparently, for Brexit, but that of course was when he was being frog marched and guided by Cummings. Since Cummings left Johnson has lurched from one form of chaos to another.

Johnson has no original ideas of his own - he has no ideas, which is why he is thrall to the ultra right of his party and delivering blow after blow to our democracy.

Your post is doing a great disservice to all the exceptional Conservative constituency MP’s Whitewavemark2

I have been reminded/prompted repeatedly on the political threads that in the U.K. we do not vote for the PM we vote for our local MP.

(The ways to remove a PM are if his constituents vote him out a general election, they resign or there is a vote of no confidence and they are ousted by the party.)

GrannyGravy13

Calistemon

MaizieD

The PM has cancelled visits / meetings, it does not necessarily mean he is not working from the No.10 flat. Unless someone from GN is a No.10 mole and can prove he is not working?

Oh, I'm sure he is 'working', as his definition of 'work' seems to be getting outside a few glasses of wine

I thought he lived in the no 11 flat - what's he doing with Rishi when he is supposed to be isolating?

I have no idea, nor am I particularly interested in whether he lives in No.10 or 11.

I was just pointing out the blatantly obvious that if thousands and thousands of us ordinary folk can work from home, even whilst isolating there is no reason to assume that Mr.Johnson isn’t.

You are assuming that Johnson is normal in the accepted sense.

Of course he isn’t. So it is pretty safe to assume that he isn’t working as he is notorious for his laziness and can’t be arsed attitude.

Calistemon

MaizieD

The PM has cancelled visits / meetings, it does not necessarily mean he is not working from the No.10 flat. Unless someone from GN is a No.10 mole and can prove he is not working?

Oh, I'm sure he is 'working', as his definition of 'work' seems to be getting outside a few glasses of wine

I thought he lived in the no 11 flat - what's he doing with Rishi when he is supposed to be isolating?

I have no idea, nor am I particularly interested in whether he lives in No.10 or 11.

I was just pointing out the blatantly obvious that if thousands and thousands of us ordinary folk can work from home, even whilst isolating there is no reason to assume that Mr.Johnson isn’t.

The point is if Johnson stays, we will be clueless as to the policies we can look forward to until the next election. Johnson got voted in because, apparently, for Brexit, but that of course was when he was being frog marched and guided by Cummings. Since Cummings left Johnson has lurched from one form of chaos to another.

Johnson has no original ideas of his own - he has no ideas, which is why he is thrall to the ultra right of his party and delivering blow after blow to our democracy.

MaizieD

^The PM has cancelled visits / meetings, it does not necessarily mean he is not working from the No.10 flat. Unless someone from GN is a No.10 mole and can prove he is not working?^

Oh, I'm sure he is 'working', as his definition of 'work' seems to be getting outside a few glasses of wine

I thought he lived in the no 11 flat - what's he doing with Rishi when he is supposed to be isolating?

Dear Lord, not Theresa May again! She used to always look like a rabbit caught in headlights!

rosie1959

MaizieD

I think this tweet tells the truth of it, Rosie

Ina
@gillsiam
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Johnson’s isolating following a positive Coward-19 test.

Why on earth would you think that his children aren't vulnerable, rosie1959? Children are catching covid , being hospitalised and actually dying from it (not in large numbers, but it is happening). One of the prime sources of infection in adults is from their children who have caught covid in school. Parents are being threatened with prosecution for keeping their children off school if a household member tests positive. People are expected to still go to work even if they have a household member testing positive.

Stop defending the bastard.

I am not defending him just pointing out what the Covid recommendations are
He doesn’t have it so it’s either Carrie or his children so they can’t both isolate from their children can they
Can’t read the tweet link

I can't imagine why you'd need a link to the tweet, but here it is:

twitter.com/gillsiam/status/1482161374520385551

notgran

I'm not here for an argument Alegrias1. You think the cat is a better alternative, fair enough. I thought my post would be treated with a bit more consideration.

I can only assume that you don’t watch parliament today and never listen to any interviews given by members of the shadow cabinet who, quite frankly, are far more ministerial than the idiots we have running the country. And are you paying attention to some of the bills that the government are pushing through parliament at the moment that the opposition are powerless to stop because of the huge majority the Conservatives have. And can I ask you, given that Johnson looks likely to go, who do you think is the best Conservative MP to replace him?

mayisay

Mmmm no mention of the fact that Remainers, in and out of Parliament, tried for several years after the Referendum, to overturn a democratic vote!

As they had a perfect right to do, mayisay. We're not a one party fascist state that stifles all opposition yet.

He is working. He is drawing up a list of officials who will resign over Partygate.
He, always the joker, is calling it Operation Save Big Dog. Oh, how we laughed.

The Tories are in power for a while yet, so the least that is needed for the UK is somebody in charge who is honest.

The thing that scares me, Casdon is that the current front runners for the job of PM are definitely honest about their desire to reduce the UK to a low regulation, low tax, free market economy. In other words, a disaster for most of the UK population.

Kandinsky

Thanks Kali2

You are welcome.

One could call it

Schrödinger's Brexit...

Mmmm no mention of the fact that Remainers, in and out of Parliament, tried for several years after the Referendum, to overturn a democratic vote!

Operation Save Big Dog....Johnson's plan to save himself by drawing up a list of who should be sacked, is now widely reported .
What has this country been brought to by this man's ambition?
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