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Can the EU do well without trade with the UK?

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Kali2 Sat 15-Jan-22 12:58:03

It would hurt, quite a lot. But then they could just adjust and forget about the UK and do very well selling and buying from each other, with Schengen, no borders, no paperwork, and with no tariffs- and a great variety of conditions and climates within to provide all they need. And labour too. What do you think?

And could of course control everything and everyone that comes in or out of UK.

Dinahmo Tue 18-Jan-22 12:38:44

Lincslass

Better use of our own produce I would say.

It's a question of taste surely? San Pellegrino tastes different to Perrier, which tastes different to Highland Spring etc etc.

Kali2 Tue 18-Jan-22 12:25:58

MerylStreep

Allsorts
I saw that story on Brixham. ? A record catch.

As said, this in wonderful.

Meanwhile in Yorkshire:

Fisherman across Yorkshire have become increasingly worried for their livelihood after mass of dead sea creatures wash up on shorelines.

Robert Harrison, from Filey in North Yorkshire, said he is "scared" fisherman will be forced out a business amid claims there "isn't a living thing" within three miles of the coast.

His fears have come after reports from residents on the North Yorkshire coast after a mass of dead crabs and rotting lobsters littered the coastline between Marske and Saltburn last year, while further piles of crustaceans were spotted in Seaton Carew and Seaham.

To get the latest email updates from Yorkshire Live, click here .

According to Mr Harrison, fishermen believe they have lost up to 40 miles of the coastline, as crabs and lobster have disappeared from the North Yorkshire coast.

They claim there isn't a living thing within three miles of the coast from Teesport to Scarborough.

Robert Harrison said: "Fisherman will be out of business.

"It will be a disaster, there will be no tourists or anything."

Families with children flood to the picturesque Yorkshire seaside during the summer - but what will happen to tourism without the local produce?

Robert added: "The tourist industry will be knackered this summer.

"No shellfish in the sea, no crabs or lobsters, everything is dead for three miles out.

"Fisherman don't catch much at this time of year but there is hardly any stock left, it's a catastrophe."

silverlining48 Mon 17-Jan-22 23:17:12

Back in the summer I couldmt get sparkling water ? either, tried sainsbury and Asda but after a couple of weeks found some in Aldi.
Very nice with elderflower cordial and ice. Here’s to sunshine ?

Bossyrossy Mon 17-Jan-22 22:56:10

Our Sainsbury’s has no sparkling water, British or otherwise, probably due to a shortage of CO2, but not helped by U.K. red tape on imported EU fizzy water. I would prefer recycled glass bottles too. We have lost the EU market both to buy from and to sell to. How has that made us better off?

Alegrias1 Mon 17-Jan-22 12:42:00

Urmstongran

Gosh, how sneery are some of you about any good news post Brexit? It fits your agenda to dismiss anything good it seems. And so what if the Express was cherry picking? At least there are some cherries to be had. There will be more, of that I am convinced.

Urmstongran

On 9th January, the Express had a piece about how poor and badly affected the fishing industry of the east cost was, and how Brexit hadn't helped them at all.

On the 10th January, they had an article about how well the fishermen of Brixham were doing in spite of Brexit.

Now, can they both be true? Yes of course. Because the fishermen of Brixham had a good year, with good landings of fish. Good for them.

The coverage in the Mail talks about Remoaners (sic) choking on their sea bass. gloating remainers, patronising Dutch customs staff described as a chippy nit-picker in a hi-vis bib. Its not proper reporting is it?

I'm not holding the BBC up as a paragon of reporting virtue, but maybe this would be interesting: Mr Young (managing director of Brixham Trawler Agents) said no more fish were being caught than previously, but more had been finding their way to customers through their market.

So not more fish, same amount of fish, just all coming through one port. Other ports suffering. But then, we're in a devil take the hindmost world now, aren't we?

Dinahmo Mon 17-Jan-22 11:51:25

Very nice for the fishermen of Brixham. They are doing their bit in contributing to the 0.1% that fishing contributes to GDP.

Urmstongran Mon 17-Jan-22 11:49:27

Gosh, how sneery are some of you about any good news post Brexit? It fits your agenda to dismiss anything good it seems. And so what if the Express was cherry picking? At least there are some cherries to be had. There will be more, of that I am convinced.

JaneJudge Mon 17-Jan-22 11:00:58

Lowestoft (which I am very fond of) has issues related to poverty already

MaizieD Mon 17-Jan-22 09:35:30

You don't think the Express is cherry picking the news that suits their agenda, do you?

Perish the thought, Alegrias...

Were they able to sell all of their bumper catches? The story wasn't very easy to follow; two lines at a time in between massive adverts...

Kali2 Mon 17-Jan-22 09:22:26

Wonderful story for the fishermen in Brixham. Truly.

But to say that Brexit was worth it, as this is the only benefit- come again.

Alegrias1 Mon 17-Jan-22 09:20:26

The Express on the 9th January: BREXIT has not helped the "downtrodden and poor" east coast

[Chairman of the Lowestoft Fish Market Alliance] told Express.co.uk: "Brixham is geographically placed and have a huge array of species to catch, where our main catch in the east coast was cod. But it has demised. We don't catch cod here now, it's that bad.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1545246/brexit-news-fishing-latest-paul-lines-east-coast-brixham-fish-market-update

The Express on the 10th January: Business booms! UK fishermen fresh from £40k catch have 'more work than ever' post-Brexit.

You don't think the Express is cherry picking the news that suits their agenda, do you?

MerylStreep Mon 17-Jan-22 08:28:56

Allsorts
I saw that story on Brixham. ? A record catch.

Allsorts Mon 17-Jan-22 08:23:38

Thanks to Covid, It’s been a difficult time to have Brexit, it would bave been sorted but didn’t due to all the remainders . However, some countries have got their act together, the one that hasn’t is France, no surprise there. If they continue as they are, there other countries with their own ports, that want to trade with us, they will be following suit soon anyway. If you see how the fishing trade has boomed on Brixham coast giving those brave men their pride and livelihood back, that’s a success.

Lincslass Mon 17-Jan-22 08:14:04

Better use of our own produce I would say.

Lincslass Mon 17-Jan-22 08:13:26

Bossyrossy

Anyone else having trouble getting sparkling mineral water? I read that the EU has to apply to sell it here now. Why bother when they have the whole of Europe to supply with no trade barriers.
Still waiting for someone to list the benefits of Brexit.

If you must drink bottled water, sparkling or otherwise, Scottish Highland Spring water is available as are many others produced in the U.K. why import the stuff from Europe.
trustheritagelogistics.co.uk/bottled-water-brands-uk/

vegansrock Mon 17-Jan-22 07:17:29

The cost of living crisis will hit in a few months time when the energy cap goes and food prices keep going up. People may question whether Brexit really worth the cost , when of course we were assured ( lied to) prices would fall as we would be saving so much money.

Greta Sun 16-Jan-22 19:06:37

Yes, it is extraordinary how a lack of choice is now seen as advantageous. It's all very well suggesting we should
buy British or "widen our horizons" and buy from countries the other side of the world. There is an obvious reason many people do not buy British -cost. There is also a compelling reason why we should not transport goods from further afield than necessary.

Kali2 Sun 16-Jan-22 19:03:19

4 day delays both ways!

Kali2 Sun 16-Jan-22 18:22:28

GBNews, not particularly pro EU (!) reporting catastrophic 4 day queues at Calais due to Red Tape imposed by UK from 1st of Jan.

Talk about own goal, and 'benefit' - shortages will soon be felt, and many will just refuse to export to UK, quite understandably.

MaizieD Sun 16-Jan-22 18:10:19

Maudi

No EU sparkling water there's one Brexit bonus straight away. Buy Highland Spring Sparkling water, Harrogate sparkling water, Buxton Sparkling water. Buy British and support your country instead of the EU.

It really cracks me up to see restricting people's choices as being called a 'benefit' of Brexit.

So we can all do our patriotic duty and buy British... God, they're desperate...

???

Kali2 Sun 16-Jan-22 18:05:47

A story repeated over and over again by all expats in EU, and small businesses (+ large ones too).

halfpint1 Sun 16-Jan-22 17:50:13

I had to pay an extra 12€ on a small parcel (£40) from
England and I had already paid £8 in postage
Won't be doing that again . Priced itself out of reach.

vegansrock Sun 16-Jan-22 17:25:32

There’s a shortage of CO2 so even British sparkling water is in short supply, as are many pre packaged products.
I’m not arguing for more plastic btw, I’d like to see a ban on plastic bottles or people getting a refund on them , say 20p per bottle so they get recycled and not chucked into rivers, hedgerows, just about anywhere.

Kali2 Sun 16-Jan-22 17:17:16

Agreed 100%

MerylStreep Sun 16-Jan-22 17:10:59

Bossyrossy

Anyone else having trouble getting sparkling mineral water? I read that the EU has to apply to sell it here now. Why bother when they have the whole of Europe to supply with no trade barriers.
Still waiting for someone to list the benefits of Brexit.

I see that as a bonus. We have enough plastic crap of our own without importing it.