Nicola Sturgeon vows to start process of second independence referendum

Unfortunately a UK government led by a shambolic Old Etonian plays right into the hands of the SNP. I just hope there is a plan to let Scottish voters know exactly how much independence would actually cost them. On a recent holiday in Scotland a friend was amazed to hear an independence supporter saying they would still receive the Barnet Formula funding post independence.

I for one would be mightily relieved to see this question settled once and for all (and no longer have to endure Sturgeon’s vitriolic and racist presence on my TV screen) but fear that it will rumble on and on. Without Westminster backing this there can be no second referendum, as per legislation enacted at the time of the 2014 referendum (‘once in a lifetime chance to decide Scotland’s future’!) So what on earth is the SNP thinking-just hold their own and scarper off? I would also be most interested to find out just how Scotland intends to finance itself, relying as they do on the present goodwill of the Green Party who wants to put an end to the oil industry on which Scotland depends so much for jobs etc, let alone fuel for domestic and industrial use! Perhaps the SNP should be a little more transparent about just how they will manage! The EU will not welcome them with open arms despite their best hopes. Still, that’s a possible future problem for them to solve! Perhaps then we too in England will receive free prescriptions, bus passes at 60, easier access to state benefits, no tuition fees for our students etc etc when the Barnet formula is ended! One thing we will not need is the drug problem- worst in Europe isn’t it?

Buttercup1954

It is a dead duck and she knows it. She's been promising a referendum every year since 2016. People in Scotland are heartily sick of her. She has caused nothing but hatred and division in Scotland amid a litany of failures. But she's still collecting her huge salary and enjoying the power.

Well said Buttercup!

Alegrias1

Tory are ye?

Or just sarcastic and selfish?

Oh Alegrias1, you are at it again!!! Typical SNP supporter who just cannot hear a thing against them!! For all of you out there who do not live in scotland, do not believe all the propaganda that SNP supporters, the party, the media spout!! There is a very large population in Scotland like myself, who do not believe in independence now or in the future. Had it happened in the 1970's when the revenue from oil in the North Sea could have sustained us financially as an independent country but we missed the boat. We cannot sustain scotland independently now and I know of many people and businesses who will up and leave if sturgeon and her mob get their own way. For your information Alegrias1, paddyone etc, my father was a staunch SNP supporter who knew Alex Salmond well when he was MP for Buchan and indeed was a SNP party member. I also voted snp for many years but not now. The SNP under sturgeon are totally ineffectual but bloody good at propaganda!! God help us all in scotland if they achieve Sturgeon's obsessional goal of independence. For months during the first lockdown, at every weekly press conference, she even used these as her platform for spouting about independence when all people wanted to hear was how we were going to get back our normal day to day lives.... many scottish people were very angry about her doing this.

Good luck to them if that's what the majority want. But how will they finance their economy? Or pay for all the free things they have now eg universities etc.

You've already had a vote, and lost.

What do you want, best out of three?

It is a dead duck and she knows it. She's been promising a referendum every year since 2016. People in Scotland are heartily sick of her. She has caused nothing but hatred and division in Scotland amid a litany of failures. But she's still collecting her huge salary and enjoying the power.

vegansrock

EU citizens who live in the U.K. did not get a vote in the referendum. Just saying.

Indeed, and I live in Europe and I did (have a vote).

The SNP consider because the win elections against other parties that have for a considerable time to make any impression on voters that all who vote SNP actually want independence. Some consider this to be wrong. However SNP government does invest in garnering votes from the young with all the benefits top
ups, free nursery entitlement, baby boxes, school meals out of term time, free bus travel for 5 to 22 year olds. I am sure there will be others I haven't found. Of course when it comes to votes young folk go SNP. Older folk are basically ignored as many have traditionally voted for the other parties and let's face it, they won't be around long enough to influence the SNP vote.

Could Scotland survive totally on their own?
I mean without EU handouts.
I very much doubt the EU would have them tbh.
And if Scotland does eventually get it’s independence that will pave the way for more troubles in the Catalonia region undoubtedly.

EU citizens who live in the U.K. did not get a vote in the referendum. Just saying.

I was not saying they should not. But my comment was in response to 'expats voting rights'. So we have 2 groups here, the Scots who no longer live there, and the others who do but are not Scottish.

British expats who live outside Great Britain, and are residents elsewhere and pay taxes there, etc, do not generally have voting rights where they live, and lose the right to vote in the UK after 15 years.

Kali2 if they actually live in Scotland and pay taxes etc there, and vote in general elections then I don't see why they shouldn't have a vote in a potential re run of an independence vote.
I object to those vociferous ones who 'love' Scotland and want independence but not enough to actually live there!

Thank you both, I feel my earlier comment has been vindicated after it was ceremoniously dismissed up thread.

You are not alone Aveline in remembering Ian Blackford's treatment of Charlie Kennedy.

So you agree English residents in Scotland should not have the right to vote in the next Independence vote?

Kali2 good.

After 15 year...

Aveline, you sound so familiar.

As for voting rights- British expats all over the world don't have a vote even if resident there for a long time. Even British citizens who have been out of the country no longer get the vote.

Penny Mordaunt is a name being linked to replacing BJ.
She gets my vote.

This Penny Mordaunt? The one explaining how much better the English Test and Trace system is than the Scottish one? The one that said how well the English NHS had done out of the PPE contracts they offered? The one boasting about how well the vaccine rollout was going in England? (Its behind Scotland of course). The one saying how they always act in the best interests of the Scottish people?

www.bing.com/videos/search?q=penny+mordaunt+ian+blackford&view=detail&mid=ACE289FFD914CD9DA965ACE289FFD914CD9DA965&FORM=VIRE

Somebody needs to tell her that talking in a serious voice isn't the same as having a serious message.

I also cheer when Penny Mordaunt takes Ian Blackford to bits! I haven't forgotten Charles Kennedy.

A few years ago at a wedding a group of people we didn't know were giving us a hard time (behind their hands of course) for being stuck up English because we weren't dancing. They got a "moufae o doric" from me for being eejits. Unfortunately there are morons in every situation.

But they were morons, not Bravehearts. Morons like the English people I used to work with who thought it was funny to call a lassie in her twenties Jock and ask what my husband wore under his kilt.

And we're not going to stop going on about Brexit, sorry. 2/3 of people in this country voted to stay, it made no difference at all.

I am Scottish, my family is Scottish as far back as I have traced, I am the first generation living (not born) in England so I am concerned about the hatred against the English being stirred u by the Braveheart morons, and I am sure that Allegrias knows who I mean, and hopefully agrees with me. I am also fed up with the constant statement about Scotland being dragged out of the EU against their will.......well, so was London, so were an awful lot of people, not just a percentage of Scottish voters. Having vented my views on Ms Sturgeon in particular, and the SNP in general, I have to say I do cheer when Ian Blackford stands up and rips in Johnson.....

I didn't set up the voting system for Holyrood

I'm not suggesting you did Aveline but you have a good knowledge of politics in Scotland, which is why I'm sure you know how the voting system is set up. Others reading this might not appreciate that "getting a majority" isn't something that's expected in the Scottish Parliament.