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Legacy of the fraudulent referendum

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varian Sat 29-Jan-22 19:18:39

The Brexit fantasy was never deliverable – voters fell for a confidence trick

Michael Heseltine

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-boris-johnson-lies-europe-b1990960.html

Urmstongran Mon 31-Jan-22 10:29:18

“BORIS JOHNSON will today announce a “Brexit Freedoms Bill” as he urges Brussels to “abandon the punitive and zero-sum approach” it has taken to frustrate Brexit.

The PM will also pledge to use powers available after the UK’s withdrawal to cut away a billion pounds’ worth of European Union-era “red tape”, though details are yet to be provided.

Mr Johnson vowed to move “ever faster” to unshackle Britain, pledging to scrap thousands of EU laws still in place in the UK. The announcements have been timed to coincide with the second anniversary of Britain’s formal departure from the EU, at 11pm on Jan 31 2020. The drive will be seen as an attempt to refocus minds on one of his main feats as Prime Minister – securing a deal that delivered the UK’s EU exit.”

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Good. ✅

varian Mon 31-Jan-22 10:02:49

"Covid has been an easy scapegoat for economic disruption, but Brexit is biting |

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/31/covid-easy-scapegoat-economic-disruption-brexit-biting"

The cost of Brexit to the UK economy is estimated at £30 billion per year.

TopsyIrene06 Mon 31-Jan-22 09:56:49

The Irish border question is nowhere near being sorted. In my opinion, this is the most important part of Brexit negotiations to solve. It can't be of course but the Brexit voters do not seem to be in the least bit concerned or dare I say, interested? How arrogant of us little Englanders to plough ahead ignoring this huge problem.
Please ladies who adore being out of the EU, explain how this will be sorted.
By the way, one of the reasons (of many) I voted to stay in the EU was so that my grandchildren would have the freedom to travel and study without difficulties as their parents did in the 1990s. I feel such a great loss.

MayBeMaw Mon 31-Jan-22 09:32:04

The joke was sent to me by a friend from Newcastle- copied ont he site of a friend from Leeds

Blaming somebody else for the origins of a not very funny joke does not absolve the sharer.
The internet is too full of things “shared” which are frequently dubious and nearly always not worth the space they occupy.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 31-Jan-22 09:28:19

trisher

Urmstongran

Have you been down the curry mile in Manchester Alegiras?
Not a woman to be seen in those restaurants.
At home - with the kids.
Most don’t speak English. Some do, of course. Grandmothers?
Not so much.

That's very odd. Curry is largely an Indian or Pakistani dish. And while most Pakistanis are Muslim most Indians are Hindu.So it's difficult to see how the Muslim rule applies.
We have a cupls of very nice Lebanese restaurants which always seem to have large family groups in them.

The majority of curry houses in our part of the U.K. are Bangladeshi owned and operated. I think this is a fairly common occurrence.

Kali2 Mon 31-Jan-22 09:24:26

MerylStreep

^but I have to share^
No you didn’t have to share.
But there again some countries are known for not having a good sense of humour.

The joke was sent to me by a friend from Newcastle- copied ont he site of a friend from Leeds.

But yes, I didn't have to share, but I wanted to (as for the reality, yes, I know, my dad had one of those, and no, he didn't find it pleasant.).

Greta Mon 31-Jan-22 09:20:47

But there again some countries are known for not having a good sense of humour.

Haha. That is a good British joke!

growstuff Sun 30-Jan-22 23:58:29

Alegrias1

My good friend, a grandmother, is a retired economist. Born in the subcontinent, lived here for decades, never worn a hijab or any other form of religious dress.

Oh, did I mention? She's a Muslim. Like her husband.

You don't even know when you're being offensive, Urmstongran. Stop trying to squirm out of it.

My daughter's mother is also Muslim and a very successful businesswoman.

MerylStreep Sun 30-Jan-22 22:49:19

but I have to share
No you didn’t have to share.
But there again some countries are known for not having a good sense of humour.

Callistemon21 Sun 30-Jan-22 22:43:19

Well, sorry, but that's not true and not terribly funny.

A truss is worn to keep a hernia in place whilst waiting for an operation. I am assured that it's not pleasant.

Kali2 Sun 30-Jan-22 21:39:37

Ah well- just heard quite a rude joke- but I have to share.

Truss- a device to support bollocks. Night night.

Coastpath Sun 30-Jan-22 21:32:21

Do you mean that they are multicultural, diverse and inclusive? If so that's great isn't it.

Urmstongran Sun 30-Jan-22 21:19:44

I think you’ll find all UK cities with universities are the same as Bristol Coastalpath. I justGoogled it.

Coastpath Sun 30-Jan-22 21:13:30

In Bristol

22% of residents are not 'White British'.
45 different religions are practiced
187 countries of birth represented
At least 91 main languages are spoken (Polish being the second most spoken language after English)
and
only 0.2% of Bristol residents don't speak English.

Isn't that brilliant! I love Bristol.

Urmstongran Sun 30-Jan-22 20:12:44

Very interesting Josieann. Good to know.

Josieann Sun 30-Jan-22 20:10:53

CoolCoco

English Language schools in the UK have been hit hard by Covid and now by Brexit - French, German and Italian students are more frequently going to language schools in Dublin for English tuition - its cheaper, they accept ID cards and no mucking around with visa etc.

On the other hand, only this week this was in the headlines:
Le V.I.E, une solution pour venir travailler au Royaume-Uni malgré le Brexit.
A large number of French 18 - 28 year olds are expected to register, visas no problem. They want to come to London, not Dublin and have found a way to do so.

Urmstongran Sun 30-Jan-22 20:06:09

I really do try Kali2 thank you for acknowledging that.

Urmstongran Sun 30-Jan-22 20:04:51

Not all Alegiras but if the cap fits ...

Kali2 Sun 30-Jan-22 20:04:48

Urmstongran

Kali2 we are pensioners, spending our disposable income for our enjoyment. And helping to fill the Spanish tills. We do our best.

We don’t want to take their jobs. Nor benefit from their healthcare system without paying for it. We do not (at our advanced age) ‘need to succeed’. Yes, this would apply to people of working age in Europe but us? No.

No concern of mine. I would have never ever mentionned this if the 'Boston' comment had not been made. The point being, why is it perceived as 'wrong' when it 'them that do it'- but not 't'other way round.

EVen if you don't need to 'succeed' - it is a question of respect, so glad to hear you do your best.

Yes, Alegrias they do, and no surprise.

Urmstongran Sun 30-Jan-22 20:03:36

trisher

When I went on holiday to Tunisia the guide who took us round historic sites linked with Muslim sciences and history insisted that the veil and coverings worn by some women had no place in Tunisian culture. They were he said Immigrants.

Good point trisher. Well said.
The burka is a man-made construct. It’s all about CONTROL by men of their womenfolk.

Professional Muslim women I know and am friends with, (GPs, hospital Registrars) abhor it and mock it.

I diverse.
I must try to keep on track ...

Alegrias1 Sun 30-Jan-22 20:00:13

I expect people who practice the Muslim religion are feeling pretty got at at the moment.

Urmstongran Sun 30-Jan-22 19:57:58

Thank you GG13.
Goodness, I feel ‘got at’ yet again. ?

Urmstongran Sun 30-Jan-22 19:56:57

Kali2 we are pensioners, spending our disposable income for our enjoyment. And helping to fill the Spanish tills. We do our best.

We don’t want to take their jobs. Nor benefit from their healthcare system without paying for it. We do not (at our advanced age) ‘need to succeed’. Yes, this would apply to people of working age in Europe but us? No.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 30-Jan-22 19:55:34

Urmstongran a holiday home is a fabulous thing to have, enjoy every hour and make memories for your family.

Alegrias1 Sun 30-Jan-22 19:54:54

Alegrias, other non British speakers are not categorised into 'good at languages or not' - they have to learn, to get on, to succeed, and they do. Like 90% + of the Dutch, be they scientists or 'linguists'. We are not talking here about accurate use of complicated forms of grammar, but communication, warts and all. Only Anglo-Saxons will use 'I am not good at languages issues'.

I agree Kali2. I taught English to graduate engineers in France. But I was trying to be reasonable. Don't know why I bothered.