Do those of us who are not Tory supporters have a duty to keep remembering the mistakes (to put it politely) of the Tory government.

PS I meant to add that not all Tories tell us to move on. Some are just as shocked as those of us to the left of centre.

I voted Conservative, mainly because I have an excellent constituency MP.

I am not a fan of Mr,Johnson neither am I a hard brexiteer I voted leave, not because I was anti Europe but because I did not like the direction the EU machine was moving in.

I continue to hope that the good Conservative MPs will see the light, put in their letters of no confidence in the PM and that the next candidates have a far better moral code.

I will however, look at all candidates in the next election along with all of the main parties manifesto’s, if nothing appeals I will spoil my ballot paper.

All the mess and mistakes need to be kept in view.I was talking to a friend today who cant see why NI is going up"to help the NHS" when Bojo and a big red bus said there would be £350 MILLION extra a week for it when we left the EU .She.like me is a Waspi woman ,already tens of thousands of £ short of what we expected to have for retirement ,now the fuel rises,food soaring and everything else costing more she's wondering how in hell she'll survive .Unlike me she's on her own and has a very modest lifestyle .Even with her lack of car ,holidays and expensive food etc she's struggling already .How she'll manage in April is anyones guess

How can you put it behind you and move on if you feel that harm is being done to our country and that integrity and honesty are becoming a thing of the past? To forget and ignore is to condone.

A permanent written record of the harm being done by the current government is the individual voting record of MPs.

You can see exactly which party was most likely to vote for dumping sewage in our rivers, against free school dinners for the poorest children and to stop the rich paying their taxes.

www.mysociety.org/wehelpyou/find-out-how-your-mp-voted/

I'm definitely not a fan of BJ and his cronies and his government has made a shed load of mistakes since coming into office (plus the lies). BUT, I am getting totally fed up of the Boris bashing that goes on in the media on a daily basis - it's all getting very boring now.
In addition, nobody mentions the millions the government invested in unproved and untested vaccines at the start of Covid to try and combat this terrible disease. Or the fact that the UK was a world leader in vaccinating it's population.
I don't think Boris or anyone in the conservative party ever envisaged that 3 months into their governing the country, they would have to deal with the worst pandemic in recent history. All their plans and promises had to go straight out of the window to deal with Covid.
That said, I will be at a loss who to vote for at the next election. I'll probably go for the Green Party!!

That was years ago - and explains a lot

fb.watch/aSsqA_fNoV/

Yes, the govt used untried and tested vaccines and so got them out first - at the cost of agreeing that the pharmaceutical companies could not be sued if anything went wrong with the vaccines. But the other European countries caught fairly quickly so it's not particularly a big deal that the UK got them first.

Sashabel

I'm definitely not a fan of BJ and his cronies and his government has made a shed load of mistakes since coming into office (plus the lies). BUT, I am getting totally fed up of the Boris bashing that goes on in the media on a daily basis - it's all getting very boring now.
In addition, nobody mentions the millions the government invested in unproved and untested vaccines at the start of Covid to try and combat this terrible disease. Or the fact that the UK was a world leader in vaccinating it's population.
I don't think Boris or anyone in the conservative party ever envisaged that 3 months into their governing the country, they would have to deal with the worst pandemic in recent history. All their plans and promises had to go straight out of the window to deal with Covid.
That said, I will be at a loss who to vote for at the next election. I'll probably go for the Green Party!!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/30/note-to-boris-johnson-sad-apologists-stop-treating-the-public-as-if-they-are-fools

Point number 4.

I don't think the one or two things they may have got right excuse the litany of mistakes, lies and downright corruption which is now swirling around so much people say they are 'bored' with it. Let's have something more exciting then, like a change of leadership.

I think one can only 'move on' if there is something good in prospect to move on to. But there isn't anything good in prospect, is there?

Every day just seems to add to our knowledge of the true awfulness of Johnson and the legislation going through parliament to curb protest, to make it more difficult to vote, to make it easy to remove someone's citizen ship without telling them or giving any explanation is just appalling. Plus the government would very much like to curb the power of the independent judiciary and of citizens to hold them to account by judicial review. And 'rewrite' the Human Rights legislation..

Add that to record inflation, increased taxation, polluted waterways, more punitive allocation of benefits, proposed further cuts to public services and the not so stealthy privatisation of the NHS (to mention but a few), the future looks a trifle grim.

I'm not moving on or forgetting...

(Point of order. All the vaccines were 'untried' as c19 is a completely new virus)

A change of government might be more useful, CoolCoco. The whole government is mired in corruption. The whole lot needs to go.

Dinahmo

Yes, the govt used untried and tested vaccines and so got them out first - at the cost of agreeing that the pharmaceutical companies could not be sued if anything went wrong with the vaccines. But the other European countries caught fairly quickly so it's not particularly a big deal that the UK got them first.

Scientists in the UK (many of whom aren't British, by the way) had been working on the technology used in vaccines for years. Did anybody hear Dame Sarah Gilbert's lecture about the chaos in funding for vaccines? Unfortunately, leaving the EU has resulted in the drying up of some funding streams, which haven't been replaced by the British government. Vaccines weren't "untested". They had been tested every step of the way and didn't just appear out of the blue.

The best thing the British government did in the context of vaccines was to appoint Dame Kate Bingham, who twisted the Treasury's arm to fund the purchase of doses and to get many of the major players to work together. The UK struck lucky. It also had the existing organisation of the NHS to implement the vaccination programme.

No person and no government is entirly right or entirely wrong.

No matter how much others may try to undermine the way this government enabled the development of the COVID vaccine and then has rolled it out se efficiently is to be praised

BUT

that apart, the record of this government is appalling. Mainly the problem is the character of our current leader. Of course his supporters will do all they can to try and dismiss the problems he is now facing, all of his own making, and didg up things he has done well, but I believe that it is absolutely essential that we remember - and keep reminding everyone of his failures and, regrettably, these almost all emanate from his personal failings as an individual.

I’m disgusted with Boris. However nothing to be gained by moving him now. Just because you support a party you dont endorse everything they do, far from it.
One thing I can’t forget or forgive are the lies of Blair, the multi millionaire property tycoon and now Sir, sending troops without adequate combat gear, even boots, into a war we shouldn’t have gone into. Those families that lost boys, 17/18 and everyone else whose boys and girls were killed in a stupid war, ask them what they think. Boris hardly in the same category although a buffoon and embarrassment as is the malevolent Cummings.

Nothing to be gained?

To halt the moral decline of the leadership of this country? To put someone in place who understands what leadership is? To have a PM who doesn't lie every time they open their mouth? To have a PM who doesn't despise the people who voted for him? To have someone who is interested in leading for the good of the country rather than the good of himself? For someone who has principles?

Oh, there's a lot to be gained. A lot.

But keep right on complaining about somebody who hasn't been in power for 15 years. That's relevant

Alegrias1 I am totally with you on this. The problem with this government can be summed up in two words - Boris Johnson -.

Any other Conservative MP would be a better Prime Minister than the current one. His reputation as a liar, whose word cannot be trusted on anything, who could party while penalising those who begged, without avail, to be with loved ones when they died, has brought this country into disrepute wordlwide and made us an international laughing stock.

She.like me is a Waspi woman ,already tens of thousands of £ short of what we expected to have for retirement

Me too paddyanne.
Google it.
We’ve got Nick Clegg to thank for it. Remember him?

I think the successive Tory governments have had plenty of time to right any potential wrongs caused by Nick Clegg
8 years+ ago surely Urmstongran?

Urmstongran

^She.like me is a Waspi woman ,already tens of thousands of £ short of what we expected to have for retirement^

Me too paddyanne.
Google it.
We’ve got Nick Clegg to thank for it. Remember him?

No, we haven't. The original announcement about the equalisation of pension ages for men and women was made in the 1990s.

Vaccines weren’t “untested”. They had been tested every step of the way and didn’t just appear out of the blue.

Yes! This exactly. I’m afraid anyone who thinks that vaccines were untested hasn’t been paying attention. It’s information that has been in the public sphere since the vaccine roll out.

DH was one of the people who were part of the testing process. He volunteered for, the third set of tests, the ones done immediately before the vaccine was released. In his 70s, with co-morbidities the vaccine caused him mild side effects for a day, the second one, caused no side effects.

Thanks to public spirited people like DH who were prepared to do everything they could to help get the COVID vaccine safely released as soon as possible to all those in most danger from the virus.

Dinhamo

The Tory press never cease to remind us that the Labour Party was responsible for the global crash 2008-10.

I’m very happy to remind anybody that the rich have become richer and the poor poorer over the last 12 years. The Labour Party were not responsible for either! Not to mention fraud, the attempt to prorogue Parliament, the appalling Track and Trace system etc.etc.

Sashabel

I'm definitely not a fan of BJ and his cronies and his government has made a shed load of mistakes since coming into office (plus the lies). BUT, I am getting totally fed up of the Boris bashing that goes on in the media on a daily basis - it's all getting very boring now.
In addition, nobody mentions the millions the government invested in unproved and untested vaccines at the start of Covid to try and combat this terrible disease. Or the fact that the UK was a world leader in vaccinating it's population.
I don't think Boris or anyone in the conservative party ever envisaged that 3 months into their governing the country, they would have to deal with the worst pandemic in recent history. All their plans and promises had to go straight out of the window to deal with Covid.
That said, I will be at a loss who to vote for at the next election. I'll probably go for the Green Party!!

So why did the Conservative government at the time ignore the findings of Operation Cygnus and leave us unprepared for a probable pandemic. Many members of that government are in the current government. Are they in no way responsible?

I think Urm you will find that the increase in women's retirement age was proposed under John Major in 1993 with advanced warning that the changes would begin to be implemented from 2010. 2010 was Tory LibDem coalition.