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UK Economy Bounces Back

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Cunco Fri 11-Feb-22 09:31:48

Darren Morgan of ONS told the BBC 'the expansion in 2021 showed the UK was the fastest growing economy in the G7 group of nations, but urged caution about making strict comparisons.'

"The growth in 2021 comes from a low base in 2020, when the economy fell sharply," Mr Morgan said. "And if you look at where the UK economy is now, compared to its pre-pandemic level, which I know a lot of people do for a broader picture of the economy, the UK is middle of the pack, compared with the G7."

'He said using this comparison the US, Canadian and French economies were above the UK's, while the UK was above Italy, Germany and Japan.'

I think that's fair enough and avoids the inevitable political bias from either side. Of course, inflation is a threat but, as Lord O'Neill has recently pointed out, it was predictable. It was, at least, to some of us old-fashioned economists, if not to the Bank of England.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 17-Feb-22 12:27:37

Germanshepherdsmum

Investment by a government for economic growth is of course a good thing if it can be afforded without driving away private investment through high taxation wwm.

Do you see the two as being linked? I’m not clear how you assume that investment for growth equals higher taxation.

It has never done so in the past.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 17-Feb-22 12:21:47

Investment by a government for economic growth is of course a good thing if it can be afforded without driving away private investment through high taxation wwm.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 17-Feb-22 12:16:05

Pensioners are going to be one of the worst hit, particularly after the cessation of the triple lock.

There will be deaths from fuel and food poverty, and most certainly worsening health outcomes.

Grantanow Thu 17-Feb-22 12:12:34

Yes, economic growth is generally good but from an individual perspective the key issue is the cost of living which is rising fast with inflation, energy prices, transport costs and some extra red tape as a result of Brexit. Remember inflation in the 1970s hit over 14% (perhaps as much as a 22% spike) which impacted badly on fixed income pensioners.

growstuff Thu 17-Feb-22 11:51:37

Sorry, I meant taxation doesn't precede spending.

growstuff Thu 17-Feb-22 11:50:08

Incidentally, spending always precedes taxation. It doesn't fund it. With low interest rates, there is no reason why government spending ever needs to be "repaid". It's a number on a balance sheet - nothing else.

growstuff Thu 17-Feb-22 11:47:40

Germanshepherdsmum

We know that technically the country can’t go bankrupt growstuff. But Labour would spend very heavily and of course the taxpayer - individual or corporate - must foot the bill. High taxes don’t attract investment from people and companies which produce jobs.

So why use the word "bankrupt"?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 17-Feb-22 11:36:34

Germanshepherdsmum

We know that technically the country can’t go bankrupt growstuff. But Labour would spend very heavily and of course the taxpayer - individual or corporate - must foot the bill. High taxes don’t attract investment from people and companies which produce jobs.

What is your opinion of investment for growth by a government?

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 17-Feb-22 11:27:06

We know that technically the country can’t go bankrupt growstuff. But Labour would spend very heavily and of course the taxpayer - individual or corporate - must foot the bill. High taxes don’t attract investment from people and companies which produce jobs.

growstuff Thu 17-Feb-22 11:16:56

No, Maudi and Germanshepherdsmum, it is impossible for a sovereign currency-producing economy such as the UK has to go "bankrupt". In any case, the current Conservative government is doing worse on most economic indicators than any Labour government ever has.

vegansrock Thu 17-Feb-22 11:12:11

Well the Tories can dish out billions to their chums, spend on vanity projects and expensive lunches, diminished the economy by their disastrous Brexit, lied and failed to fulfil their promises- yet they are “trusted”. Some people really have drunk the kool aid.

jaylucy Thu 17-Feb-22 11:10:44

All I can say is Yipee!

Shame that most people will not be able to afford to enjoy it !
Having to struggle for some people to put even the basics of food on the table or even pay for utilities so they can afford to have heating on for more than a couple of hours a day or even electricity or gas to cook meals, I am sure that they will be absolutely thrilled at the news !

Whitewavemark2 Thu 17-Feb-22 11:04:12

That is a myth put out by the Tories. Once this established propaganda is understood for what it is, the voter will begin to understand the facts.

In fact the economy performs no better under the Tories than Labour, and by some measurements it performs much better.

BlueBelle Thu 17-Feb-22 11:04:11

My goodness maudi what a horrendous thing to say rather someone with no qualifications who went to a state school than a lying, conniving, Etonian who will ruin the country for his own importance and greed You ve just written off so many people including the BIG businessmen like Richard Branson , lord sugar etc etc
But what else would we expect

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 17-Feb-22 10:55:37

Labour would indeed bankrupt the country. They have form.

Maudi Thu 17-Feb-22 10:50:30

Labour would bankrupt the country. Angela Rayner the Deputy Leader who left school with no qualifications God forgive if she had any say in how the country was run and the memorable photo shoot of Rayner and Starmer kneeling for BLM bet that went down with the silent majority not. Do you remember the last time Labour were in charge there's no money left note.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 17-Feb-22 09:42:44

Germanshepherdsmum

So where will he get the money for all this?

The same place that the Tories got £37billion.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 17-Feb-22 09:40:25

So where will he get the money for all this?

MayBee70 Wed 16-Feb-22 20:40:51

Cunco

We need not worry about the future. Kier Starmer has just told us that his 'contract with the British people will build a new Britain which guarantees families, businesses and pensioners the security, prosperity and respect they deserve.' No ifs and buts or Ts & Cs, future guaranteed! I will sleep easy in my bed now.

Keir ( just saying….)

Casdon Wed 16-Feb-22 20:35:27

I’d certainly sleep a lot easier in my bed.

Cunco Wed 16-Feb-22 19:53:00

We need not worry about the future. Kier Starmer has just told us that his 'contract with the British people will build a new Britain which guarantees families, businesses and pensioners the security, prosperity and respect they deserve.' No ifs and buts or Ts & Cs, future guaranteed! I will sleep easy in my bed now.

growstuff Sat 12-Feb-22 14:46:41

What kind of profit is Specsavers making?

It wouldn't surprise me if they're doing really well.

MerylStreep Sat 12-Feb-22 12:27:25

Urmstongran

This thread won’t last long. There’s not enough bad news to feast on. The UK doing well? ?

Time for you to throw some fresh meat out there ?
Be kind, give them something to gnaw on.
I’m reminded of Monty Python ( again)
^When chewing on life’s gristle, just give a little whistle^?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 12-Feb-22 12:10:15

One reason for the foreseen slowdown will be the lack of disposable income as people try to cope with the cost of living rises.

varian Sat 12-Feb-22 11:17:32

"UK on course for weakest growth in rich world in 2023 despite rapid bounceback from Covid recession"

inews.co.uk/news/politics/economy-uk-weakest-growth-rich-world-2023-bounceback-covid-recession-1456034