WW3 - Joe Biden's words on Sky News

Biden has told all Americans to get out of Ukraine as there will be no airlift. He also said there would be no American troops in Ukraine that's not to say he will not put them in Poland or other countries such as Latvia and Lithuania.
He seems to want to make a stand as a tough leader. Let's just hope he is not another George Bush and make a move on unfounded evidence to get his moment of glory.
Nato needs to stand united against Putin who is a bully of the first order, he feels threatened and bullies lash out when they are cornered.

If this doesn't worry people, nothing will. www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/11/ukraine-crisis-american-b-52-stratofortress-bomber-planes-land/

The US has "upwards of 750 bases" in 80 different countries throughout the world. I am sure they would love a couple more in Ukraine within close firing distance of Moscow. They wouldn't like a similar situation developing on their border, they are safely tucked away on the other side on the world.

How many people in UK even knew where UK was a few months ago, now we are talking about a possible WW3. My first thought went to my 5 grandchildren who would possibly be called up.

It is Biden that is the worry!

Long before the last US election there were rumours about Biden’s mental state and since he was elected President these stories if anything, seem to have intensified.
Very worrying.

grumppa

"How could a country like the USA only have had a choice between him and Trump at the last election?"

A good point Sarnia. Now substitute UK, Corbyn and Johnson for USA, him and Trump.

Scary and concerning, isn't it?

maddyone

But we don’t vote for the leader of a party unless we live in their constituency. We vote for our own MP.
America votes for one of two people.

Because we have a Head of State who is impartial, steadfast and not prone to gaffes. She could, of course, show her disapproval to the elected government at her weekly meetings with the PM.
All the more reason not to have an elected president.

eazybee

Joe Biden and his words concern me greatly.
It would be nice to have a discussion about a subject where posters didn't immediately attempt to turn it into a vehicle for an attack on Boris Johnson.

Johnson is our head of govt. He is charging around Europe trying to show that he is as good a statesman as the other other European leaders. He is the person who appointed Liz Truss as Foreign Secretary and she didn't do too well with her Russian counterpart.

Given the above, of course any discussion about Ukraine will turn into a debate about Johnson. Let's face it, there's little else to be said other than we don't want this to escalate into WW111 and to express our concern about Biden's comments.

But we don’t vote for the leader of a party unless we live in their constituency. We vote for our own MP.
America votes for one of two people.

"How could a country like the USA only have had a choice between him and Trump at the last election?"

A good point Sarnia. Now substitute UK, Corbyn and Johnson for USA, him and Trump.

mumofmadboys

I agree a lot of time and effort is being put into investigating No 10's stupid parties while time, energy and effort should be directed towards Ukraine,Afghanistan, tackling climate change, mental health problems, fuel prices, cost of living etc etc

But the people who are supposed to be tackling those issues (along with their boss) were the ones having parties….

Joe Biden and his words concern me greatly.
It would be nice to have a discussion about a subject where posters didn't immediately attempt to turn it into a vehicle for an attack on Boris Johnson.

mumofmadboys

I agree a lot of time and effort is being put into investigating No 10's stupid parties while time, energy and effort should be directed towards Ukraine,Afghanistan, tackling climate change, mental health problems, fuel prices, cost of living etc etc

But it's not the inhabitants of Number 10 that are putting in the time and effort to investigate the parties. it's the journalists and latterly the police that are doing it. All Johnson has done is to bluster at PMQs and issue the occasional denial.

How can we trust the government when the PM constantly lies?

Me too, maddyone.... and Joe Biden frightens the life out of me. I just hope his advisers keep a tight rein on him.

I have long wondered whether the 'advisors' in the US run the show far more than it appears. When you look at Trump, Bush and as far back as Reagan, the presidents themselves seem highly unlikely to have been able to head and run a world power and keep us safe in our beds.

maddyone

I’m know I’m out of step with many others, but I really couldn’t care less about so called parties at number ten, I’m more concerned with real issues such as Ukraine, inflation, the losing of the legal requirement to isolate if you test positive for Covid. In other words, things that affect me and the rest of the population, not things that don’t make a jot of difference to me and that most other workplaces were most likely doing anyway.

Me too, maddyone.... and Joe Biden frightens the life out of me. I just hope his advisers keep a tight rein on him.

Coastpath

Why do people feel Joe Biden is a liability?

When NATO were asking for solidarity with the Russian Army on the Ukraine border, Joe Biden said he would accept 'a mild incursion' !!! Must have been music to Putin's ears. There have been some very good editorials recently on the concerns being thrown up by Joe Biden. This is just one example.

Isn't Trident supposed to prevent another world war? If not what on earth is the point of paying for it?

I don't think that any world leaders will deliberately go into WW3, although there is a danger of getting there in stages if we don't find better solutions. Biden would be less concerned about a war in Europe (which would obviously affect us massively) than leaders here would be, and I do think he is a worrying force.

As for the parties - I am extremely concerned about the way they have reduced confidence in democracy and the political system in the UK. We have been ruled by consent for hundreds of years, and anything that reduces the trust between government and the people puts that (and therefore democracy itself) at risk. We are a rapidly diminishing power since we split from Europe, and Johnson, Truss etc are doing nothing to enhance our reputation or allegiances abroad, which is scary in itself.

I think we are in very dangerous times, but I wonder if the parties and associated dishonesty might turn the tide, and we'll see a change of direction before it is too late.

I dont want a leader who is utterly lacking in morals and character and integrity dealing with any of those very serious issues, that is the whole point.

I agree a lot of time and effort is being put into investigating No 10's stupid parties while time, energy and effort should be directed towards Ukraine,Afghanistan, tackling climate change, mental health problems, fuel prices, cost of living etc etc

A leaders lies should never fade into insignificance.

t is possible to be concerned about more than one thing at a time.

Lies about parties fade into insignificance when you have the President of the USA discussing initially, minor incursions and now WWIII.

His withdrawal from Afghanistan wasn't the greatest move either.

So we can talk about Boris and ABBA and tie removals but to be honest with you I'm more concerned with Ukraine and Russia.

Biden being President is like watching a car crash in slow motion. How could a country like the USA only have had a choice between him and Trump at the last election?

I tend to agree with you, maddyone. I do care about the lies involved after those parties came to light, but I am much more concerned about events like Ukraine, the cost of living etc., and the stupidity of stopping all safety requirements for Covid.
As for Joe Biden, he has frightened the life out of me now!
WW3. - Please, NO. Surely not?

Most other workplaces didn't make the rules and then break them in a spectacularly public way likely to make others stop giving a stuff about following the rules, thus putting us all at risk.

I don't know of any workplace who had many, many parties or flats where groups of people were drinking suitcases of wine and dancing to Abba.

Having a PM who lies, cheats and thinks rules and laws don't matter does affect you and the rest of the population.