Absolute chaos!

The DEC and many other U.K. based charities are supporting refugees in Poland and other Countries bordering Ukraine which is admirable.

I just cannot understand why the U.K. Government cannot let those refugees who want to come to England, who have friends and families here, many speak who English travel here. Sort out the paperwork once they are here.

Is the government worried that they may want to stay once this awful conflict ends?

Thanks Callistemon, I can see its all over the press. Glad to see other Tories criticising him.

It's not a fake apparently.

I did wonder if it was a fake Callistemon. It came from Larry the Cat's twitter account though- usually reliable.

Did someone hack him? That sounds very odd for someone who was born in Poland and is married to a Brazilian!!

This is what a Tory MP thinks about giving refugees sanctuary. Its immoral.

Clearly isn't aware that you can actually get to Ukraine quite quickly, in normal times.

He's deleted the tweet, I think.

Uganda isn't Kenya or Zimbabwe


I thought we were discussing money being taken out of countries where trouble was brewing or from where people were expelled and the difficulties of accessing what was legally theirs, having to leave behind their businesses, their savings etc.

Callistemon21

^I don't know if anyone managed to get money out of the countries where troubles were brewing legally, but obviously some must have done.^
Syntax!
I don't know if anyone managed to get money legally out of the countries where troubles were brewing

Well, according to the 1968 article, Asian families were taking an average of £5000 per family out of Kenya with them.

I believe it was Amin, 1971, who prevented any money leaving the country.

Zimbabwe is not Kenya so I don't see how that applies.

I don't know if anyone managed to get money out of the countries where troubles were brewing legally, but obviously some must have done.
Syntax!
I don't know if anyone managed to get money legally out of the countries where troubles were brewing

MaizieD

Callistemon21

Similar to S Rodesia (now Zimbabwe) annodomini.

People were leaving over years, but were not allowed to take any money or goods out with them.

I'm not so sure about that, Callistemon

This is from a contemporary article (1968) on the subject

The panicked exodus of Asians trying to beat the deadline dealt the Kenyan economy a severe blow. Demand has dropped sharply along with heavy capital losses-- an average of 5000 pounds follows every Asian family that leaves Kenya

www.thecrimson.com/article/1968/4/24/asians-panic-pbkbenyas-asians-are-caught/

Obviously, £5,000 in 1968 was worth considerably more than now, 54 years later. Its equivalent value today would be about £75,000.

Do you have information that contradicts this story?

My friend left S Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) when she was a teenager but had left money in a bank account there plus an investment her mother had made for her and has never been able to access it. She didn't flee, she came over her to continue her education and wanted to go back at some point to her family over there.
A relative posted cash home to his mother in the UK, hoping it would get through before they left when the troubles were brewing.
Another friend, born in Kenya, had to leave with her parents, leaving behind their business and started their lives again here.

So only word of mouth but accurate information.

I don't know if anyone managed to get money out of the countries where troubles were brewing legally, but obviously some must have done.

for Lucca

And I agree that GG13 is one of the good guys. More

MaizieD

Zoejory

But he also says that they fled, MaizieD

It's a rather flattering article to Priti Patel and her family.

Anyway, it's just a word and it means that much to you I'll not mention it further.

They 'fled' in the 1960s. When they could still take money out of the country and could organise a relatively orderly withdrawal. They were not refugees leaving the country at short notice with only their personal belongings.

The point I am trying hard to make is that Priti Patel's family did not have the same experience as the Ukranian refugees; which probably accounts for her lack of empathy with them.

Of course it''s a flattering article. She had made a significant achievement and there is absolutely no doubt that on the whole the Kenyan Asians worked hard and made a success of their new lives in the UK. Their contribution to the UK has been exemplary.

It's just a shame that we had no idea of her potential for nastiness...

No excuse for Patels lack of empathy.

Millions of us have never experienced what the Ukrainians are going through but can totally empathise with them.

Patel is a nasty piece of work.

I said that she had removed her own post Lucca
I didn’t say anything about you reporting it

Lucca, as Freya took her post down, seems no one reported it. It’s also been quoted on several posts, so she can’t hide.
GrannyGravy13 - you’re right, it must be possible. I’ve written again to our Conservative MP. He’s been visible in his support, actively involved with our Ukrainian centre.
Maybe things will change as the DMail is on the case. Sarah Vine hitting hard

FannyCornforth

I see that Freya has had her post taken down.
Lucca don’t worry, it was obvious to all that is was an utterly stupid and unwarranted insult

I DID NOT Report it. I actually wanted it left there for people to see!

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

maddyone

I thought people voted for this government to ‘get Brexit done.’
I voted remain before anyone piles in on me, but the above is why people voted Conservative in my opinion.

And they now use it as a get out clause to absolve themselves of responsibility for voting for the worst UK government in living memory...

No excuses from me, I voted Conservative, firstly because our constituency MP is very good, secondly because I didn’t want Mr.Corbyn as PM, thirdly I voted leave.

It's OK, GG13. You're one of the honourable ones

It's the ones who claim they 'lent' the tories their vote to 'get Brexit done' who annoy me.

I just wish the current cabinet and PM would come to their senses and let the Ukrainian women, children and elderly into the U.K. surely it’s possible?

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

maddyone

I thought people voted for this government to ‘get Brexit done.’
I voted remain before anyone piles in on me, but the above is why people voted Conservative in my opinion.

And they now use it as a get out clause to absolve themselves of responsibility for voting for the worst UK government in living memory...

No excuses from me, I voted Conservative, firstly because our constituency MP is very good, secondly because I didn’t want Mr.Corbyn as PM, thirdly I voted leave.

It's OK, GG13. You're one of the honourable ones

It's the ones who claim they 'lent' the tories their vote to 'get Brexit done' who annoy me.

I see that Freya has had her post taken down.
Lucca don’t worry, it was obvious to all that is was an utterly stupid and unwarranted insult

MaizieD

maddyone

I thought people voted for this government to ‘get Brexit done.’
I voted remain before anyone piles in on me, but the above is why people voted Conservative in my opinion.

And they now use it as a get out clause to absolve themselves of responsibility for voting for the worst UK government in living memory...

No excuses from me, I voted Conservative, firstly because our constituency MP is very good, secondly because I didn’t want Mr.Corbyn as PM, thirdly I voted leave.

Sorry Lucca that you got the flack - it should have been me.

Lucca I answered your post, I didn’t feel it was insulting to those of us who had voted for this Government.

Don’t let the ba***rds get you down ?

maddyone

I thought people voted for this government to ‘get Brexit done.’
I voted remain before anyone piles in on me, but the above is why people voted Conservative in my opinion.

And they now use it as a get out clause to absolve themselves of responsibility for voting for the worst UK government in living memory...

Thank you maddy

Lucca

Zoejory

But he also says that they fled, MaizieD

It's a rather flattering article to Priti Patel and her family.

Anyway, it's just a word and it means that much to you I'll not mention it further.

They 'fled' in the 1960s. When they could still take money out of the country and could organise a relatively orderly withdrawal. They were not refugees leaving the country at short notice with only their personal belongings.

The point I am trying hard to make is that Priti Patel's family did not have the same experience as the Ukranian refugees; which probably accounts for her lack of empathy with them.

Of course it''s a flattering article. She had made a significant achievement and there is absolutely no doubt that on the whole the Kenyan Asians worked hard and made a success of their new lives in the UK. Their contribution to the UK has been exemplary.

It's just a shame that we had no idea of her potential for nastiness...