Absolute chaos!

Peter Brookes today

New scheme announced to help Ukrainians coming to the UK.
www.sanctuaryfoundation.org.uk/

I’m stating what I believe are the facts Pantglas2. Decisions to admit refugees to the UK are made by the UK government. The funding for housing refugees is devolved to councils. If you have gripes about the housing of refugees in the council area where you live you should take it up with your council - if you’re in a Labour run council area they are as culpable as any party if they aren’t meeting the requirement. Under the present agreement Ukrainian refugees will not be allocated housing.

Your Labour bias does you or your argument no credit Casdon - the inadequacies are of all administrations London and Cardiff and refusal to acknowledge that is the problem here.

There’s too much politicking and not enough performing at the highest level - people from the bottom up are busting a gut to get results for those who matter and those at the top simply want to score points.

Most of us can see through them.

There is no plan to provide refugee accommodation for Ukrainians in the UK though is there? As it currently stands they are only allowed to come here if they have immediate family sponsors. So moaning about the perceived inadequacies of the Scottish or Welsh governments isn’t relevant as it’s a UK Government decision.

Grayling

Pantglas2 - I could have written your post just substituting the FM's name to Nicola Sturgeon. The Syrian refugees who came to Scotland are mainly still living in "hotels". I would, however, think that most refugees coming to Scotland would be accommodated and assisted by the large number of Polish, Latvian and Ukranian people who already live and work here.

Agreed Grayling Drakeford has a habit of promising the world and not delivering.

I could promise three Ukrainian families a sanctuary in lovely north Wales but they’d be housed in my sun house, the lean-to and Mr PGs man cave! You get my drift...

Pantglas2 - I could have written your post just substituting the FM's name to Nicola Sturgeon. The Syrian refugees who came to Scotland are mainly still living in "hotels". I would, however, think that most refugees coming to Scotland would be accommodated and assisted by the large number of Polish, Latvian and Ukranian people who already live and work here.

Well, they showed the form on ITV which needs to be filled in online to ask for permission to come to the UK.

First - have access to the internet (not easy for refugees surely?)
Secondly- the kind of bureaucratic form which puts people already in the UK applying for Attendance Allowance, a Blue Badge etc.
Thirdly - is it even in Ukrainian or is it in English?

I'm beginning to think that P Patel has totally lost the plot.

I went to my gym class today, I was ashamed when they spoke about the refugees’ problems trying to reunite with their families in the UK and BJ.
This afternoon Versailles is having a meeting with the EU ministers.

Great news Curlywhirly, they've been shamed into doing something at last.

It's ok!!

It's not as if you're the Foreign Secretary without a wall map.

^Uganda isn't Kenya or Zimbabwe*

Ooops

Early (for me) morning posting. For some strange reason I got my countries mixed up. Apologies, Callistemon

Just heard on ITV news - the visa process will change as from Tuesday - applicants who have family links here in the UK can apply online. They will then be emailed a 3 year visa. At last!!!

I totally understand the points you make Casdon

However, I was trying to show that unless there is communication and joint action between our Leaders (Cardiff or London) and those responsible for the provision of what’s promised, whether by Tories or Labour, it turns into complete shambles for the very people they’re proclaiming to help!

The responsibility for the housing of refugees is devolved to local authorities in Wales, it isn’t the direct responsibility of the Welsh Government to house them. I was involved in one of the schemes when I was still working, each LA is allocated a certain number of families. I suspect that you are referring to issues with local housing of refugees Pantglas2, because I know it has been very well handled by my local council (which is a different one to where I worked).

Callistemon21

^Patel ...said that she thinks they'll be a "drain on us" as a lot of them will be widowed by the war^

That's the second time I've read that on here but can't find it anywhere else. Do you have a link, please, paddyann

Nothing worse than someone who gets help when they need it
I'm wondering about that statement too?

Not that I am in any way in agreement of Ms Patel and have emailed my MP about her stance in no uncertain terms.
However, such statements do need to have verification as they won't add to the argument if they are false.

I think that it was Rachel Johnson who said that. Of course they may have both said it.

paddyann54

Pantglas you do realise that the Welsh government like the Scottish one has no say or control over refugees/asylum seekers Its all down to the "home" office at Westminster .Otherwise we would see many more Ukrainian people here now .This crisis like the ongoing ill treatment of asylum seekers ..aka potential terrorists by WM ..is entirely a Tory created issue .People die and WM wants formes signed by people who had to run for their lives.Makes my blood boil

There’s no point the FM inviting people to claim asylum in Wales (or any country within UK) and then treat them badly by keeping them in below standard accommodation for years which is what Drakeford has done.

Loudly proclaiming that he wants Wales to be a sanctuary for all and then quietly not coming up to scratch with the bare minimum in terms of your own home is sheer hypocrisy.

Handsome is as handsome does, NOT how handsome talks... whether it’s Labour or the Tories, Paddyann.

Patel ...said that she thinks they'll be a "drain on us" as a lot of them will be widowed by the war

That's the second time I've read that on here but can't find it anywhere else. Do you have a link, please, paddyann

Nothing worse than someone who gets help when they need it
I'm wondering about that statement too?

Not that I am in any way in agreement of Ms Patel and have emailed my MP about her stance in no uncertain terms.
However, such statements do need to have verification as they won't add to the argument if they are false.

GG13 Patel ...said that she thinks they'll be a "drain on us" as a lot of them will be widowed by the war ....so does she think we should leave the families in Ukraine to DIE to? She is a heartless selfserving excuse for a human being .Nothing worse than someone who gets help when they need it and then pulls the ladder up behind them denying the same for others.
I thought my hatred of the tories couldn't get worse....but it has soared over the past few days .

Pantglas you do realise that the Welsh government like the Scottish one has no say or control over refugees/asylum seekers Its all down to the "home" office at Westminster .Otherwise we would see many more Ukrainian people here now .This crisis like the ongoing ill treatment of asylum seekers ..aka potential terrorists by WM ..is entirely a Tory created issue .People die and WM wants formes signed by people who had to run for their lives.Makes my blood boil

I emailed my MP too.
He is full of platitudes saying that they are going to ensure that Ukrainian refugees are able to come to the UK.

GrannyGravy13

Oops premature posting.

I think that this MP has form , he got Polish lessons on his expenses despite being fluent in Polish…

Perhaps he is planning to go over to Poland to facilitate the processing of desperate refugees trying to get to family in the UK.

Listening to Rory Stuart.

His opinion is that the government is dragging its feet over the refugees, because they think that the majority of their voter base do not want them in the country.

GrannyGravy13

The DEC and many other U.K. based charities are supporting refugees in Poland and other Countries bordering Ukraine which is admirable.

I just cannot understand why the U.K. Government cannot let those refugees who want to come to England, who have friends and families here, many speak who English travel here. Sort out the paperwork once they are here.

Is the government worried that they may want to stay once this awful conflict ends?

GrannyGravy13, I sent an email to me Conservative mp making the points you set out. I looked at his Facebook page just now, it’s full of people making the same point. He’s red wall, knows the constituency could return to Labour. He’s visible, hard working, moved his family from the leafy south to live here. He was good on the party issues and has been good so far on Ukraine - here’s hoping

Oops premature posting.

I think that this MP has form , he got Polish lessons on his expenses despite being fluent in Polish…