What a surprise, Harry’s not coming.

Can’t anyone leave them alone it’s like picking a scab you all want him to stay out of the country and to keep quiet, but when he does that that’s not right either

If you don’t like these two, ignore them, stop pick pick picking its vitriolic, it’s boring and shows this country at its worse

volver

Ok, I'll explain.

You said he was foolish. I think he's a bit daft.

Somebody today called him a coward.

You and I may think he's silly, based on what he says and does. That could be justifiable. But for someone to jump to calling him a coward, with no justification other than their own prejudices, is too much. So I was trying to draw attention to how different it is to call someone foolish and to call them a coward.

No, I would never call anyone who joined the Army and went to Afghanistan a coward.

But then he might be more nervous about a dressing-down from a Granny who loves him, who knows.

I am just thinking of the Queen who is not being able to attend the Commonwealth Day service, which is very close to her heart. It is very worrying and H should visit her privately very soon with no publicity.

Ok, I'll explain.

You said he was foolish. I think he's a bit daft.

Somebody today called him a coward.

You and I may think he's silly, based on what he says and does. That could be justifiable. But for someone to jump to calling him a coward, with no justification other than their own prejudices, is too much. So I was trying to draw attention to how different it is to call someone foolish and to call them a coward.

Do you think he's a coward Call?

How did you interpret that from what I said?
Very odd indeed

Josieann most definitely a funeral service and a memorial service are completely different , a memorial service is just that
Remembering the life of .

Why did you ask me?

Because were having a conversation

Why did you ask me?

Well, I think I know.

volver

Callistemon21

I'm going to throw myself on the floor volver and pretend they're not both knocking frantically on my front door.

I wouldn't want my children or grandchildren to trash me in public, I'd be devastated, but I do think he's a very foolish young man.

Do you think he's a coward Call?

You can think someone is behaving badly without thinking they are the devil incarnate, and without telling everyone about it several times every week for a year. That's not healthy.

No

Why did you ask me?

No, I probably am, avoiding confrontation.

Actually, I'd probably give him a hug and say, "there, there, dear, I still love you. Just think before you speak in future".

Callistemon21

I'm going to throw myself on the floor volver and pretend they're not both knocking frantically on my front door.

I wouldn't want my children or grandchildren to trash me in public, I'd be devastated, but I do think he's a very foolish young man.

Do you think he's a coward Call?

You can think someone is behaving badly without thinking they are the devil incarnate, and without telling everyone about it several times every week for a year. That's not healthy.

Excellent Volver.

Worrying about how easy it is to whip up hate in a population is scary, but actually nurturing animosity for months isn't?

If your explanation is "pleasant" then consider yourself excluded for my observations.

We won't agree Josieann.

I'm going to throw myself on the floor volver and pretend they're not both knocking frantically on my front door.

I wouldn't want my children or grandchildren to trash me in public, I'd be devastated, but I do think he's a very foolish young man.

Sorry, but I beg to differ Bridgeit.
When some posters like myself offer a pleasant enough, not hateful, not spiteful explanation, it seems you just choose to ignore them volver and continue your obsession about the nasty, wicked, loathsome, vitriolic etc etc comments which annoy you. You are thus prolonging your own distaste in the subject. To me, that is scary, but then we all see things differently.

Volver, thank you thank you,thank you, for being a light in the dark , I hope others take notice of your excellent post.

I appreciate GSM and maddyone taking the time to answer my question, so I’m going to put my side of things.

You’re both right, I don’t have grandchildren so the thought of them going on TV and “trashing” me isn’t an issue high on my agenda. But I can imagine that if a family member did that, it would be traumatic. However, the perplexing thing for me is that the hate for these two is prolonged. It’s been months, maybe years? I suspect someone will say, well they keep appearing in the papers/on TV/whatever. But we could just ignore them. We could do what I do and think “silly laddie” then get on cooking my tea. But it feels like a horde of indignant people are waiting at the starting gates, and as soon as ANYTHING about them appears on the media, it’s like someone lights the blue touch paper and off they go; a re-run of all the old complaints and insults and diatribes.

And its hate, and its loathing. Both those words have been used about them, although what we hear most is “disappointment”. Well let it go. Its not important. You don’t know him and you don’t know his family.

Which brings me to my next point. I think that people take this personally because they think that is must be awful for the poor Queen, his poor father, poor William. Well all these people are adults who can sort out their own family issues and don’t need a group of women they’ve never met passing judgment on them or their errant grandchild, certainly not for months on end.

And there is vitriol and lies about the most innocuous things; just today. Why don’t they raise money for vaccines? Well they have. Harry’s the least popular Royal. No he’s not. Who do they think they are, signing open letters? People who get asked to sign open letters, that’s who. They probably don’t do their own research. Well nobody does.

And lastly. The things that are said about them are shocking. Today he is actually called a coward; not a moral coward, an actual, physical, coward. With no justification at all, just hatred. And it is hatred. Somebody last week talked about the 2 Minute Hate for M&H; a reference of course to the 1984 event where the powers that be decided who you have to hate this week, and you could do anything to them for 2 minutes. Do you not see the parallels? For those of us who think this is over the top, its scary. Who are you going to hate next?

Maybe I can answer that paddyann54.

A memorial service is very different from a funeral ceremony. You get to pay tribute to a life well lived.A memorial service is the perfect time to remember your loved one’s unique life. During the service, you invite family and friends to share special thoughts, memories and stories about your loved one.

As far as I can remember Prince Philip's funeral was during a time of covid restrictions so half the family weren't even allowed to attend. Let alone friends. The memorial service for the Duke will allow all of them to share and to comfort and to support each other.

The memorial service will also provide a clear sense of closure, though the DofE's larger than life character will never be forgotten. I see it as an opportunity to put his life in the spotlight and for the public to celebrate his distinctive personality too.

I expect it will be very meaningful to The Queen and for this reason alone it would have been nice and fitting to see Harry present.

You could well be right paddyann54, but if this is the case why can't Harry say so in a quiet adult fashion, instead of making a song and dance about security?

grannypiper, Although Harry could fly in practical terms, he wasn't a qualified pilot as he didn't pass the written exam and remained a trainee. He was a trained rear gunner and saw service in that position. However, your post is sadly entirely accurate.

He went to the funeral ,does he need to go to a memorial service too? I thought they were for people who didn't attend the actual funeral.
To be honest if I was at a family funeral I wouldn't go to a memorial a year later.I love my family but the funeral for me would be the end.
I dont go to cemeteries either though ,the folk I love aren't there .I do talk to my Dad in particular as I work about the house if I need to talk things through ,not that its him just I can imagine what his answers would be .
Maybe Harry doesn't need another service to remember his GF,let him mourn in his own way

I feel so sorry for the Queen, P.C and Camilla. Having got two lovely children and three much loved grandchildren, two grown up and one a teenager,I can certainly imagine how hurt and deeply upset Harry s grandmother, and his father must be at the treatment meeted out to them,not once, but again and again by a much loved child. Harry can never have been fond of his family, else he just wouldn't do this to them, would any of us?. As for being a coward? Well perhaps not in the conventional sense, but where 'she who must be obeyed' is concerned I would suggest that non compliance is not an option. The whole saga of turning from a loveable, popular Prince into a bitter vindictive middle aged man is desperately sad both for him, but particularly for his immediate family. He's not wanted here,so perhaps best he stays away permanently.

Caleo He is not young, he is a 37 year old ex Army Pilot that saw active duty. Surely by his age we can't make the excuse he is young therefore he has a lot to learn ?
He has shown us by his words and actions that he is a two faced back stabbing spoiled manchild.

Harry even had protection when in the army.

I don’t read the Daily Mail, I have listened to what Harry has said . He wanted privacy yet did the Oprah interview and the interview on top of a double decker bus. He is writing a book,
more lies are expected.

He was not a senior royal when living in this country, he is the
only royal in America, doesn’t have to walk, sit behind his brother or his step mother.

Good points GSM and eazybee. Its almost as though the loyalty and sense of occasion that were instilled into him have gone out of the window. I can understand his wanting to let go and change his life, but certain fundamental attributes serve us well whatever our new circumstances.