Gender? Sex? Help me out please.

trisher

Rosie51

trisher

Doodledog

GagaJo

What the Barbican's website says is that it offers gendered & gender neutral. It doesn't state that they've removed the women's option.

Well it wouldn't, would it?

Here's what they have to say about it. Basically that women have been pushed aside to make life more accommodating for trans and non-binary visitors. No question of men making space for them - oh no.

I've just read that. Here's a revolutionary idea. Why don't the women go into the ones with a urinal when there is a queue? If they all go there will be no question of anyone feeling unsafe. Except perhaps the men using the urinal who really won't want a gang of women looking at them (some of them won't be able to pee!!)

Are you advocating that for women whose religions or cultures would not permit that, or do you just not care that this is yet another venue they won't be able to attend because of mixed loos? Do women with religious or cultural variations from the "anything goes" mentality really deserve to return to the urinary leash? Some feminism that basically tells them to get lost.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything in fact using the mens and leaving those with religious beliefs to use the ladies would benefit everyone.
Oh how I miss radical women who challenged everything and refused to accept rules and regulations

When will you accept that trans identified males, transwomen, using the female toilets places a urinary leash on women whose religion or culture would prevent them using those facilities? Intersectional feminists giving them the two finger salute once again. They must be the 'wrong sort of women'.

Chestnut

trisher

Chestnut

Here's a revolutionary idea. Why not stick to male and female toilets and then have one single cubicle for gender neutral. I can't believe people will be queuing to use it, there can't be that many transgender people.

The Barbican will have a significant number of families and need spaces dads can use with daughters and mums with sons.

I'm not just talking about the Barbican but in general. Why the big fuss, just make one toilet available for transgender people and leave the rest alone. I can't understand all the drama, or the need to provide so many toilets for them.

Because families need toilets parents can use with their children. Dads quite often take daughters out and have to decide if they take them into the gents or worry about what they are doing in the ladies. It isn't just transgender people who need gender neutral toilets

有人说话了吗

It's wrong to eradicate anyone's rights

Whether we agree that rights iare actually being eroded is just a disagreement

Saying you can't change sex/gender is just an excuse because people are legally doing so regardless.

Just to clarify
they would be perceived as radical by “someone” because they (the someones) think it’s radical to erode the rights of the sex they purport to be

Iam64

*oh how I miss radical women who challenged everything and refused to accept rules and regulations*

Where to start with this one. I’m all for challenging nonsense which includes the idea that women being shouted down by transactivists is in any way radical. It’s oppressive, abusive, unnecessary and misogynistic.

Well answered Iam64.
The funny thing is, I miss them too, because they wouldn’t put up with any of the disenfranchising of females. Actually there are some, Kathleen Stock, Maya Forstater, JKR, but they would be perceived as radical by “someone” because they think it’s radical to erode the rights of the sex they purport to be.

Iam64

*oh how I miss radical women who challenged everything and refused to accept rules and regulations*

Where to start with this one. I’m all for challenging nonsense which includes the idea that women being shouted down by transactivists is in any way radical. It’s oppressive, abusive, unnecessary and misogynistic.

Agreed, Iam. And it's so condescending in tone, too.

I'm trying to get my head around the mindset that hankers back to some 'golden age' when women wanting basic rights had to fight against the rules and regulations that oppressed them, and would have the rules reinstated in order that they can be 'challenged' all over again. What price progress?

oh how I miss radical women who challenged everything and refused to accept rules and regulations

Where to start with this one. I’m all for challenging nonsense which includes the idea that women being shouted down by transactivists is in any way radical. It’s oppressive, abusive, unnecessary and misogynistic.

trisher

Chestnut

Here's a revolutionary idea. Why not stick to male and female toilets and then have one single cubicle for gender neutral. I can't believe people will be queuing to use it, there can't be that many transgender people.

The Barbican will have a significant number of families and need spaces dads can use with daughters and mums with sons.

I'm not just talking about the Barbican but in general. Why the big fuss, just make one toilet available for transgender people and leave the rest alone. I can't understand all the drama, or the need to provide so many toilets for them.

Chestnut

Here's a revolutionary idea. Why not stick to male and female toilets and then have one single cubicle for gender neutral. I can't believe people will be queuing to use it, there can't be that many transgender people.
Because that wouldn’t facilitate the opportunity for some TW to perv on or harm females AND, the “someones” wouldn’t like it.

Chestnut

Here's a revolutionary idea. Why not stick to male and female toilets and then have one single cubicle for gender neutral. I can't believe people will be queuing to use it, there can't be that many transgender people.

The Barbican will have a significant number of families and need spaces dads can use with daughters and mums with sons.

Rosie51

trisher

Doodledog

GagaJo

What the Barbican's website says is that it offers gendered & gender neutral. It doesn't state that they've removed the women's option.

Well it wouldn't, would it?

Here's what they have to say about it. Basically that women have been pushed aside to make life more accommodating for trans and non-binary visitors. No question of men making space for them - oh no.

I've just read that. Here's a revolutionary idea. Why don't the women go into the ones with a urinal when there is a queue? If they all go there will be no question of anyone feeling unsafe. Except perhaps the men using the urinal who really won't want a gang of women looking at them (some of them won't be able to pee!!)

Are you advocating that for women whose religions or cultures would not permit that, or do you just not care that this is yet another venue they won't be able to attend because of mixed loos? Do women with religious or cultural variations from the "anything goes" mentality really deserve to return to the urinary leash? Some feminism that basically tells them to get lost.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything in fact using the mens and leaving those with religious beliefs to use the ladies would benefit everyone.
Oh how I miss radical women who challenged everything and refused to accept rules and regulations

Here's a revolutionary idea. Why not stick to male and female toilets and then have one single cubicle for gender neutral. I can't believe people will be queuing to use it, there can't be that many transgender people.

The Barbican and other commercial venues will be guided by whether or not their takings are affected. The same with shops and their changing rooms. That is, as long as any trans advocates don't tell them lies about it being compulsory not to allow women anywhere they can be on their own.

trisher

Doodledog

GagaJo

What the Barbican's website says is that it offers gendered & gender neutral. It doesn't state that they've removed the women's option.

Well it wouldn't, would it?

Here's what they have to say about it. Basically that women have been pushed aside to make life more accommodating for trans and non-binary visitors. No question of men making space for them - oh no.

I've just read that. Here's a revolutionary idea. Why don't the women go into the ones with a urinal when there is a queue? If they all go there will be no question of anyone feeling unsafe. Except perhaps the men using the urinal who really won't want a gang of women looking at them (some of them won't be able to pee!!)

Are you advocating that for women whose religions or cultures would not permit that, or do you just not care that this is yet another venue they won't be able to attend because of mixed loos? Do women with religious or cultural variations from the "anything goes" mentality really deserve to return to the urinary leash? Some feminism that basically tells them to get lost.

Doodledog

GagaJo

What the Barbican's website says is that it offers gendered & gender neutral. It doesn't state that they've removed the women's option.

Well it wouldn't, would it?

Here's what they have to say about it. Basically that women have been pushed aside to make life more accommodating for trans and non-binary visitors. No question of men making space for them - oh no.

I've just read that. Here's a revolutionary idea. Why don't the women go into the ones with a urinal when there is a queue? If they all go there will be no question of anyone feeling unsafe. Except perhaps the men using the urinal who really won't want a gang of women looking at them (some of them won't be able to pee!!)

GagaJo

What the Barbican's website says is that it offers gendered & gender neutral. It doesn't state that they've removed the women's option.

Well it wouldn't, would it?

Here's what they have to say about it. Basically that women have been pushed aside to make life more accommodating for trans and non-binary visitors. No question of men making space for them - oh no.

What the Barbican's website says is that it offers gendered & gender neutral. It doesn't state that they've removed the women's option.

Ah trisher ever brimming with positivity. ?

Rosie51

FarNorth

Let's have a little light relief by thinking about toilets again!

The Barbican now has toilets which are designated Disability, Male and Gender Neutral.
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea, please let us know why you think that.

Surely that should come under sex discrimination as they're making less provision for women than men, and allowing men their sole designated area but no such area for women?

Wouldn't it depend on how many toilets were designated for each category? If there is only a urinal in the male toilet and lots of cubicals in the gender neutral it would actually just be mixed toilets.
If you were a parent with children of the opposite sex you might be quite pleased because you could all use the same one

Surely that should come under sex discrimination as they're making less provision for women than men, and allowing men their sole designated area but no such area for women.
It would come under sex discrimination if it affected men and can you imagine the outcry if females all used the disability toilets?
I can picture “someone” or more than one “someone” shrieking discrimination for even thinking about it.

Society seems to be going backwards where those with superior physical strength i.e. men can threaten violence or become violent to women who support the rights of women.

It is, AGAA4. It gets disguised as 'being kind' to transpeople (and in itself there is nothing wrong with that), but in fact the TRA agenda is about erasing women. There is never any talk about 'being kind' to women who want or need single-sex spaces, or who want to have the vocabulary to discuss their bodies, or who want to have crimes committed against them by men recorded as such, or to have differences in income between men and women recorded by sex not so-called 'gender', etc.

This has annoyed me ? It is as though women are being phased out.

You'd think, wouldn't you? And given that women spend longer in there than men, we should have more provision, not less, to be 'equal'.