Gender? Sex? Help me out please.

I hope you can access this link to 'Jane' on a phone in to Rees-Mogg.
Jane makes clear the dreadful position we are in.

twitter.com/i/status/1510898009877495809

Thanks DL and congratulations to KS, someone who knows what brave really looks like!

Ms Stock has written an article for the DM today:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10682091/Professor-KATHLEEN-STOCK-Sorry-dont-woman-just-saying-one.html

Thanks FarNorth. I read that article when my DD sent it to me as well and it rings ever more true.
Those classifications so accurately match what I hear people say or read that people write, on the news, in the media, on social media, and even here on GN, and all of them could be suffixed by without a lot of further thought about what that might look like
There’s a fifth idea not mentioned by Kathleen Stock, ensuing from all those above when it comes to those who aren’t trans, and that’s the opportunity to bully and dismiss females by pursuing any or all of the typical motivations KS cites.

Another excellent, but long, article - this time from Kathleen Stock.

'The Fictional World of Transactivism"

"When it comes to people who aren’t trans, the typical motivations for immersion in trans activism’s foundational fictions seem of four main sorts. First, there’s a desire to be kind to trans people, without a lot of further thought about what that might look like. Second, there’s those who want to seem kind because of the social capital it brings these days. Third, there’s a desire to avoid ostracisation, since you know you will be socially punished if you don’t. And fourth, there’s a desire to undo human sexed categories with the power of words, because you heard from some whackjob academic that this was a coherent and politically desirable thing to aim for."

unherd.com/2022/03/the-fictional-world-of-trans-activism/

Smileless2012

Yes it is an excellent article FarNorth, thank you for sharing.

This really stood out for me "There is talk among activists and transgender "allies" of being "on the right side of history", a claim that almost always reveals the vanity of people more concerned with re casting themselves as good guys at pivotal moments in counter culture than with solving actual problems".

As the article says there was no reclassification by the civil rights as to whose black and whose white or who is gay and who is straight, so why are we having this re classification of 'what is a woman' especially as there appears to be many who are unable to answer?

Thanks Smilesless for summarising.

Thank you FarNorth. It makes several interesting points, but Smileless2022 you summed up the most telling points.

Yes, the self-righteousness makes it even more galling.

Yes it is an excellent article FarNorth, thank you for sharing.

This really stood out for me "There is talk among activists and transgender "allies" of being "on the right side of history", a claim that almost always reveals the vanity of people more concerned with re casting themselves as good guys at pivotal moments in counter culture than with solving actual problems".

As the article says there was no reclassification by the civil rights as to whose black and whose white or who is gay and who is straight, so why are we having this re classification of 'what is a woman' especially as there appears to be many who are unable to answer?

An excellent article in The Times, explaining the whole trans situation and how we got to where we are now.
(share token, so no paywall)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2de79110-b1cc-11ec-8570-b43daaf58ea1?shareToken=9563e32c6c82a05933d29200f689711c&fbclid=IwAR3NdFjQ2cufkA4a6GWqZ07D5WBs6Smk5rVBLZxrJ2bJSfDp6NnkAA0I4KE

Tweaking the meaning of the word woman to include anyone who feels like it is one of the biggest misogynistic farces this century!

It really is. I can't imagine how betrayed our great-granddaughters will feel when they realise that their lives could have been so very different if our generation (and the younger ones, to be fair - they are often worse than ours) had stood up to the bullying and refused to co-operate. The longer we leave it, the worse it is going to get.

I listened to any questions this afternoon. Members of different parties were on the panel.
On the question of sport the fluff was about wanting it to be fair to all- with no explanation of how they’d achieve that for all bit. They passed the buck to the sporting bodies to avoid answering for themselves. Then just waffled about how hard being trans is (I get that, it’s pretty hard being a female too) and a quick round of applause for JW who, if he gets re-elected would appear on statistics as a . . .
Then safe spaces for women which are already set out under laws which allow men (GRC says ‘women’ covers men) and so are not spaces for females at all.
Tweaking the meaning of the word woman to include anyone who feels like it is one of the biggest misogynistic farces this century!

FarNorth

Doodledog I saw the Genderbread Person on Twitter! (so absolute guaranteed truth) posted by someone who said it had recently been used in their workplace training.

Yes, I saw it recently, too. Then someone rocked up to say that it was out of date, we are no longer born into a sex class (it is assigned), so the Gender Unicorn is the currently acceptable model. At that point, I logged off and watched Eastenders.

FarNorth

Absolute drivel whether you use one of those, or the GI Joe - Barbie rainbow scale.

i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/79/d8/d979d8c1231f7847fa58926b370600dc.png

I’ve never seen that before.
That is so funny.
I guess they didn’t use Paul and Sindy because her ‘gender’ would have been a lot more difficult to hide!

FarNorth

Absolute drivel whether you use one of those, or the GI Joe - Barbie rainbow scale.

i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/79/d8/d979d8c1231f7847fa58926b370600dc.png

How reductive towards fellow humans beings.

Absolute drivel whether you use one of those, or the GI Joe - Barbie rainbow scale.

i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/79/d8/d979d8c1231f7847fa58926b370600dc.png

Doodledog I saw the Genderbread Person on Twitter! (so absolute guaranteed truth) posted by someone who said it had recently been used in their workplace training.

Rosie51

Oh and 'assigned'. How ignorant, sex is observed, and if it can't be immediately observed then genetic testing will ensure the correct sex is recorded.

How accurate.
But . . .
For some, ignorance is bliss and they’re happy to be ignorant.

Oh and 'assigned'. How ignorant, sex is observed, and if it can't be immediately observed then genetic testing will ensure the correct sex is recorded.

I'm going to suggest my midwife niece 'assigns' every birth today under 'other' and designates them all unicorns.
Seriously, when will these people have some respect for people with dsds who have repeatedly requested not to be used in this way? There is no such thing as 'intersex' or 'other' there is no third, fourth or whatever sex. There are two sexes, male and female and everyone belongs in one or the other.

Here it is . Sex is now 'assigned at birth' (of course).

Sorry to be a pain, FN, but I think that Genderbread idea has gone out of fashion because of the mention of Biological Sex. It's been replaced by a unicorn (not joking)!

Here is an aid to understanding - The Genderbread Person!

www.itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2011/11/breaking-through-the-binary-gender-explained-using-continuums/

(and, no, today's date isn't relevant)

There would be no threads left on GN to be honest.

Oh no! The GN police are out again!!