Violence at Stop violence against women march

“I’ve been thinking since I last posted, I know there’s not many men on Gransnet, and to my recollection, none of them have ever posted on any of the transgender threads. I wonder why not?”

It’s not an issue to men is it, in fact the whole “trans” issue is of no interest to most men. A trans person is no threat to men either in competitions or personal safety, many men would see them as a object of amusement or ignore them completely as they do with gay people.

Doodledog Excellent post! Sadly there are females that think all your examples are to be celebrated and encouraged. There is nothing that can be taken away from women to give to men that goes too far for them. And then they claim not to support the patriarchy ?

Absolutely brilliant post @ 16.15 Doodledog; that's the future. Crime stats can then be skewed to "prove" that male to female violence has reduced but, coincidentally, female on female violence has increased. Especially now that Those Who Know Such Things are adamant that women are physically capable of raping a woman.

Chewbacca

More likely to be his hubris and arrogance Mollygo He knew he would never be an elite athlete as a male and the TRAs, and their allies would see him as a poster trans to their cause.

It certainly seems like that to me.

In the end (unless someone sensible comes along and puts a stop to this) I can see two teams forming - the A team (men) and the B team (women and men who can't compete with the A team). As the men in the B team are likely to beat the women, the whole sport will become male-dominated.

This is the sort of thing that could spread to other areas too:

Gender pay gap? Oh look! Our top male earners are on an average of £X pa, but Brian and Trevor in the female earners group are on £X-1, so that's a big improvement since the last measure when Sarah and Emily were the top women on £X-5. We can now record the positive figures.

Women in the Cabinet? Well yes, the stats weren't great before, but in the last reshuffle we moved Colin to Head of Trans, and Graham is overseeing the Dept of Gender and Education, so it's balanced the books a bit having women in those posts. Isn't it great to see how Graham has equalised the performances of boys and girls now they are based on gender instead of sex?

Oh, and Dave's been amazing at dealing with the women's pension scandal! Once she started including transwomen in the figures it's made such a difference. What do you mean, some women weren't allowed to join private pension schemes? They are all in the WOO scheme for Women Of Old - no, there's nothing funny about the acronym . . .

trisher

I don't think it is ever fair to blame the admin on GN. They are just doing what they are paid for. It isn't personal and shouldn't be taken as such. I've had whole threads disappear.
The only thing I want to know is why does it always happen when I've gone off to do something else. I just have to try and imagine what's been said!

Glad I didn't see all of them

More likely to be his hubris and arrogance Mollygo He knew he would never be an elite athlete as a male and the TRAs, and their allies would see him as a poster trans to their cause.

He wins by cheating.
I can’t get over the ease with which Lia’s name converts to Liar. Do you think it was a Freudian slip on his part?

Correct Rosie51; men have 66% more upper body strength and 50% lower body strength than women.

Caitlin Jenner is correct. Lia Thomas swims short distance races with the energy saving technique used to swim longer distances. Observe the feet. Lia kicks every other stroke, the females in the race kick on every stroke. Lia is winning races using upper body strength only.

Caitlin Jenner is reported as saying Lia Thomas took it easy in the race s/he won, to avoid breaking the record. C Jenner supports Lia but doesn’t believe s/he should compete in women’s swimming

Got it one one grannydarkhair. Divisive is the word:

In an interview with Sky News, former cycling champion Victoria Hood said, “It is not complicated. The science is there and it says that it is unfair. The male body, which has been through male puberty, still retains its advantage; that doesn’t go away. I have sympathy with them. They have the right to do sport but not a right to go into any category they want.”

In a press release in response to Hood’s comments, McKinnon denounced her for having
“an irrational fear of trans women.”
It’s not the first time a competitor has spoken out about their frustrations with having to race against her.

“It was an unfair race, and I accepted that when I pinned on the number, and I tried to do my best to overcome the unfairness,” said Jennifer Wagner-Assali, who took bronze behind McKinnon last year but did not compete on Saturday. “I do feel that hard-fought freedoms for women’s sport are being eroded.
“If we continue to let this happen, there will be men’s sports and co-ed sports, but there won’t be any women’s sports.”

Karolinksa Institute in Sweden conducted research that suggested testosterone suppression for transgender women has little effect on reducing muscle strength.

Chewbacca is that transwoman Veronica Ivy, formerly Rachel McKinnon, in the middle? I know people’s opinions on her are divided, she’s lost out to women in some races. Ross Tucker and Linda Blade are sports coaches, both are strongly against transwomen competing against women in any sport. RT, in particular, writes very well on the issue.

I’ve been thinking since I last posted, I know there’s not many men on Gransnet, and to my recollection, none of them have ever posted on any of the transgender threads. I wonder why not?

These 3 women are world track cyclists. They're all competing in the same race and same age bracket and so it should be a level competitive field. One of them is far heavier, more muscular and taller than the others. One of them was born a man. Which one won?

Thank you ^grannydarkhair* for another informative post. A disturbing one, too.

Yes - those emails do mount up... there's both advantages and disadvantages with modern technology - you'd probably never get that many letters through the post as emails in your inbox. And some people want a reply - yesterday .

It shouldn't be forgotten that Emma Weyant won the silver medal at the Tokyo olympics for the 400m individual relay. Her time for this race was the 3rd fastest in UVA history. But hey, Lia looks so proud, one might even say smug.

Brave women.

This is the photo.

GrannyGravy13

grannydarkhair
One last post, today Twitter is full of photos of the winner’s podium at the swim meet in the USA. Lia Thomas is in 1st place, there’s no-one on the second place, so there’s an obvious gap and the three young women who came in 2nd, 3rd and 4th are standing together on the third place podium. Pictures truly do speak louder than words.
I have seen that photo, very poignant.
Thank you for the post. I’ve seen the picture it’s very moving and the young women did well.
I expect he’s proud of himself.

grannydarkhair

One last post, today Twitter is full of photos of the winner’s podium at the swim meet in the USA. Lia Thomas is in 1st place, there’s no-one on the second place, so there’s an obvious gap and the three young women who came in 2nd, 3rd and 4th are standing together on the third place podium. Pictures truly do speak louder than words.

I have seen that photo, very poignant.

One last post, today Twitter is full of photos of the winner’s podium at the swim meet in the USA. Lia Thomas is in 1st place, there’s no-one on the second place, so there’s an obvious gap and the three young women who came in 2nd, 3rd and 4th are standing together on the third place podium. Pictures truly do speak louder than words.

Dickens Thank you for saying I know my stuff, but trust me, I don’t think anyone can possibly be fully aware of every facet of this issue.
Some might be concerned with safe single sex spaces, eg. prisons, domestic refuge centres, changing rooms, hospital wards.
That includes sport, Lia Thomas is depriving a woman of a place in a team/on a podium, but he’s not actually physically hurting any of his team-mates/fellow competitors. But if it was a close contact sport, it could be different. There has been an instance of a woman wrestling (I think, I really can’t remember exactly what the sport was called) with a transwoman. Amongst other injuries, he fractured her skull during the bout, again due to the biological advantages he gained through undergoing male puberty. He was in the armed forces before he claimed to be trans, there’s photos of him online, he’s built like the proverbial brick s…-house. Why she even wanted to enter a ring and try to fight him is beyond my understanding.
For some, the damage being done to young women and men transitioning is important. There’s already been lots posted here and in other threads about this. There’s been a huge increase in the number of girls especially. Historically, there’s always been more males than females who claimed to be trans. The males were usually middle aged, or at least well into adulthood, eg Debbie Hayton. There’s lots of articles been written on the reasons for the change in the demographics.
Jazz Jennings is a young American transwoman. There’s a tv series about Jazz/the Jennings family. Jazz has undergone numerous surgical procedures, often having to have follow up “repair” surgery and had gained 100+lbs recently. I’ve only seen small clips of the show, and found them very disturbing. To me and many others, Jazz appears to be a profoundly damaged soul, being prostituted (and I don’t use that term lightly) by/in the media. But why? Financial gain, the chance to be in the limelight, the family didn’t want a gay son? Take your pick.
As usual, this is another long post, sorry for that. But it’ll be the last for a while, I’ve got a lot of emails to go through, can’t believe how quickly they mount up.

We are saying no and standing up to males. Some males (and sadly some females) hate that.
That’s why we get abused, cancelled, deleted or assaulted or have our jobs threatened.

Trisher (sorry for making you a proper noun instead common, but it’s the start of a sentence) Feminists care for females’ needs and rights. They don’t need any additional title to say that they care for other members of society. Are you saying that being a Feminist means they don’t care for others in society?
Those feminists who don’t put females first are patriarchal feminists, because they support the rights and needs of those who are not female with words like ‘equality’ ‘discrimination’, ‘persecution’ etc (which they practice against women),
You may be able to sit on the fence and call yourself ‘intersectional’ but that’s not true feminism, it’s feminism that needs qualifying. However, the additional word intersectional, unlike patriarchal, doesn’t explain anything.

We are saying no and some men hate that.

We are standing up to men. Thats why we are getting abuse and our jobs threatened.

Mollygo

I'm well aware of the history of the suffragette movement trisher and how they were referred too which is why I'm horrified when I see the same, similar and even worse said about women who do not accept that trans women are women and the attempts to silence them.
The real truth, Smileless2012

But no other women have said those things Mollygo. I have consistently said that gender critical feminists are not as some claim radical. because radicalism has a long connection and history with change and progress and they should embrace intersectional feminism.
Whereas I and other intersectional feminists have been told we are in favour of women being abused, we are mysognistic, we always support men and numerous other claims. Many of which are absolutely similar to the accusations thrown at suffragettes by other women. They may be fondly remembered now but at the time they were considered beyond the pale by many. They were not women who thought they had to be victims and needed protection they were women who challenged men and stood up to them. That's the sort of reaction I would like to see now. I'm sure there is common ground but when I march and protest I have no idea if the person next to me is what some would term a "real" or a transwoman and frankly I don't care.