Johnson's offensive speech at the Conservative Party Spring Conference.

Thanks for the update Whitewave. What a mess.

There was a time when the president of the USA would have stopped off on his way to Europe.

I cannot see why they don't intervene WWM. I know and understand the arguments for not doing so but surely no one thinks he will stop on the edge of Ukraine?

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“Boris Johnson will be the only major Western leader to be shut out of the room when Joe Biden joins the European Council for discussions about the Ukraine crisis later this week.

Can we please put to bed any childish Brexiter fantasies about leading the World now?”

He failed in the Middle East last week.
What an embarrassment he is.

Well the So far (NATO meeting I assume) they have decided to send a lot more effective hardware.

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DaisyAnne

Whitewavemark2

There is an EU summit this week to talk about Ukraine. It was intended to invite Johnson, to which he has responded positively, but they have decided that he would have nothing useful to contribute after last weeks remarks, so have not extended an invitation.

Is this the high-level EU/US security meeting WWM? He has expressed an interest in going. He will be in the city for a NATO meeting.

Liz Truss previously attended. However, when you have just compared the leaders of Europe with a tyrant who is committing War Crimes, you might expect that you would be persona non grata.

Just how much longer must this man be allowed to destroy our country?

Yes that’s the one.

I think Biden will possibly be there?

I'm not sure WWM but you would think so as it seems high level. I just hope they decide to do something more to help.

MayBee70

DH has just written to our MP to complain. I will do so later. What annoys me is that Johnson speaks on the world stage for me and the rest of the world must have the most awful opinion of British people. Those in Scotland and Ireland must feel even more aggrieved, their country not having voted for brexit.

My partner and I run a technical consultancy agency, and most of our customers / clients are in Europe.

We chat. I can assure you that they are well aware that Johnson does not represent the British people, en masse. They understand our antiquated voting system and that it gave us a man and his party that the majority did not vote for. They are sympathetic, and angry... they also have similar 'products' in their own nations.

I don't know how the rest of the world views us, but certainly the Europeans I talk to do not feel any animosity towards the British people in general.

Johnson I think would prefer that they did so that he could ratchet up his phoney 'war' with the EU...

... that comment gives a clear indication of, not only his muddled thinking, but his intention to continue the "us" against "them" message.

If he has the capacity for reflection or self-awareness, he should use it - because when even staunch Brexiters cringe at his observations, then he's going to be viewed as a loose cannon at some point, and they'll remove his projectile and powder... so to speak.

Who would you trust to sell you a house, car and tell you the truth. Johnson or Keir Starmer? It drives me mad to hear we have no alternative but Johnson. What about Jeremy Hunt? Surely he is a better option. If only Rory Stewart would step forward again. One thing is for sure Johnson has to go before he does further damage with his lies and loose mouth. He is a security risk, useless and he portrays the UK in the worst possible light.

DaisyAnne

Whitewavemark2

There is an EU summit this week to talk about Ukraine. It was intended to invite Johnson, to which he has responded positively, but they have decided that he would have nothing useful to contribute after last weeks remarks, so have not extended an invitation.

Is this the high-level EU/US security meeting WWM? He has expressed an interest in going. He will be in the city for a NATO meeting.

Liz Truss previously attended. However, when you have just compared the leaders of Europe with a tyrant who is committing War Crimes, you might expect that you would be persona non grata.

Just how much longer must this man be allowed to destroy our country?

Yes that’s the one.

I think Biden will possibly be there?

To misquote your hero, Boris;

Careless words cost votes.

Please "hush your mouth"

Boris Johnson is being treated like an untrustworthy Kremlin-sponsored clown.

I wonder why?

Whitewavemark2

There is an EU summit this week to talk about Ukraine. It was intended to invite Johnson, to which he has responded positively, but they have decided that he would have nothing useful to contribute after last weeks remarks, so have not extended an invitation.

Is this the high-level EU/US security meeting WWM? He has expressed an interest in going. He will be in the city for a NATO meeting.

Liz Truss previously attended. However, when you have just compared the leaders of Europe with a tyrant who is committing War Crimes, you might expect that you would be persona non grata.

Just how much longer must this man be allowed to destroy our country?

Or even Afghanistan.

The jackals are circling! Sky News is headlining PM used direct influence to get animals out of Iraq; no great crime as said animals went in luggage hold but all part of what looks like a campaign to oust Our Great Leader. If the May elections punish the Tories, he will be gone by Christmas.

DH has just written to our MP to complain. I will do so later. What annoys me is that Johnson speaks on the world stage for me and the rest of the world must have the most awful opinion of British people. Those in Scotland and Ireland must feel even more aggrieved, their country not having voted for brexit.

So because of our fool of an PM, the U.K. will not be party to decisions made about Ukraine nor be able to contribute anything useful.

There is an EU summit this week to talk about Ukraine. It was intended to invite Johnson, to which he has responded positively, but they have decided that he would have nothing useful to contribute after last weeks remarks, so have not extended an invitation.

Just in the interests of accuracy, I don't think "most people who voted Leave are less well educated than those who voted Remain." I would suggest that it was shown that a greater proportion of those who voted Leave had lower attainment levels than those who voted Remain". Subtle but different.

Fair point DaisyAnne

Volver

They should also be ashamed of the final paragraph of their report, given where we are today.

Instead of peaceful integration, writes Philip Cunliffe, a senior lecturer in international conflict at Kent University, the eastward expansion of the EU has disproved its claim to reunify the Continent and shattered its legitimacy as a peacemaker.

The quote was getting a little long. That makes me think they are not doing well. A bit like some of the things Putin says now he is realising he has miscalculated. Let's hope that doesn't mean the government does something worse just to keep us in our place and so they can still say "We won!"

Just in the interests of accuracy, I don't think "most people who voted Leave are less well educated than those who voted Remain." I would suggest that it was shown that a greater proportion of those who voted Leave had lower attainment levels than those who voted Remain". Subtle but different

I am still trying to work out what "dinner parties" the author of the article went to. Who goes to "dinner parties" these days and why would you want to be with people who are rude about you?

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Dinahmo

Watching Sky News this morning I saw Johnson being interviewed by two young teens, both of whom were very articulate. The subject was Ukraine. For once Johnson spoke coherently. No doubt he had advance notice of the questions and there was no fear of being disagreed with by an experienced journalist.

Expect this to be the pattern for the future.

Wouldn’t that be nice!. No rude, unpleasant and I’ll mannered journalist? Maybe then we might watch and listen and not reach for the off button every time.

No, instead we'll have rude, unpleasant and ill mannered politicians with nobody to hold them to account.

Do you have anything else to say to a grateful nation, Prime Minister?

DaisyAnne

growstuff

Urmstongran

From an article in The Sunday Times by Brian Appleyard
Sunday February 18th 2018:

“That link between low IQ and a Brexit vote is now an entrenched ideology among many, if not most, remainers. You hear it at dinner parties, you see it on television, you read it in frothing newspaper columns and you can detect it in the fear of professional or private exposure among many “leave” voters.

But, from today, Brexiteers can come out of the closet and hold their heads high .... “

If you are interested Gill57. Or maybe not.

Why? Has was it proved otherwise?

I don't think it was ever claimed that people who voted for Brexit had a low IQ, but various surveys showed fairly conclusively that they were older and had lower educational attainment?

What happened to enable them to hold their heads up high?

Is it meant to be ironical? If so it's very unpleasant.

I finally managed to read the article, although it's behind a paywall. Mainly it's about an organisation of academics who are Leavers. There's 38 of them. The premise is that there are some clever people who voted Leave.

Well obviously there are. But most people who voted Leave and less well educated than those who voted Remain.

They should also be ashamed of the final paragraph of their report, given where we are today.

Instead of peaceful integration, writes Philip Cunliffe, a senior lecturer in international conflict at Kent University, the eastward expansion of the EU has disproved its claim to reunify the Continent and shattered its legitimacy as a peacemaker.

Dinahmo

Watching Sky News this morning I saw Johnson being interviewed by two young teens, both of whom were very articulate. The subject was Ukraine. For once Johnson spoke coherently. No doubt he had advance notice of the questions and there was no fear of being disagreed with by an experienced journalist.

Expect this to be the pattern for the future.

Wouldn’t that be nice!. No rude, unpleasant and I’ll mannered journalist? Maybe then we might watch and listen and not reach for the off button every time.

Brexit was about loosing freedoms and leaving the EU
Ukraine is fighting for freedom and joining the EU.
Where’s the similarity?

growstuff

Urmstongran

From an article in The Sunday Times by Brian Appleyard
Sunday February 18th 2018:

“That link between low IQ and a Brexit vote is now an entrenched ideology among many, if not most, remainers. You hear it at dinner parties, you see it on television, you read it in frothing newspaper columns and you can detect it in the fear of professional or private exposure among many “leave” voters.

But, from today, Brexiteers can come out of the closet and hold their heads high .... “

If you are interested Gill57. Or maybe not.

Why? Has was it proved otherwise?

I don't think it was ever claimed that people who voted for Brexit had a low IQ, but various surveys showed fairly conclusively that they were older and had lower educational attainment?

What happened to enable them to hold their heads up high?

Is it meant to be ironical? If so it's very unpleasant.

If you read my post Urm, I made no reference to Brexit voting and educational achievement. I am however,interested to know the basis of the pride that Appleyard talks of. Also,I will point out that this article is 4 years old, before the more obvious manifestation of Russian influence, and pre Johnson government, so what is your point exactly?