Johnson's offensive speech at the Conservative Party Spring Conference.

Urmstongran

From an article in The Sunday Times by Brian Appleyard
Sunday February 18th 2018:

“That link between low IQ and a Brexit vote is now an entrenched ideology among many, if not most, remainers. You hear it at dinner parties, you see it on television, you read it in frothing newspaper columns and you can detect it in the fear of professional or private exposure among many “leave” voters.

But, from today, Brexiteers can come out of the closet and hold their heads high .... “

If you are interested Gill57. Or maybe not.

Why? Has was it proved otherwise?

I don't think it was ever claimed that people who voted for Brexit had a low IQ, but various surveys showed fairly conclusively that they were older and had lower educational attainment?

What happened to enable them to hold their heads up high?

Now you really are beginning to worry me Ug

Paranoid? Moi?

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From an article in The Sunday Times by Brian Appleyard
Sunday February 18th 2018:

“That link between low IQ and a Brexit vote is now an entrenched ideology among many, if not most, remainers. You hear it at dinner parties, you see it on television, you read it in frothing newspaper columns and you can detect it in the fear of professional or private exposure among many “leave” voters.

But, from today, Brexiteers can come out of the closet and hold their heads high .... “

If you are interested Gill57. Or maybe not.

The bit about the boosters is illogical too. If they had the first injections later they would maintain immunity until a later date too.

Yes DA of course. But the way the UK sorted it, boosters for the most vulnerable were due at the optimum time of the new variant surge. Van Tam said we had got it right.

Anyone who hasn't yet realised that Putin is behind Brexit really needs to start educating themselves and reading a bit more. Even the Torygraph is getting a bit hot under the collar about Russian money and influence. I admit they did a great job with all those charming charismatic men like Farage, all those stories in the well balanced MSM telling everyone what coves most foreigners were, all those pesky EU regulations stopping honest Brits from just getting on with their over regulated lives. Yup,I can see how some were fooled convinced. Presumably the same people who think that Johnson is a great chap, just a little bit misunderstood, especially by the lunatic left

Watching Sky News this morning I saw Johnson being interviewed by two young teens, both of whom were very articulate. The subject was Ukraine. For once Johnson spoke coherently. No doubt he had advance notice of the questions and there was no fear of being disagreed with by an experienced journalist.

Expect this to be the pattern for the future.

Every speech he gives us offensive as far as I am concerned, literally every time he says something it is offensive and the stupid grin he gives as if everybody should think he is funny ?

The only similarity between the Brexit vote and the war in Ukraine is that Putin is responsible for both.

Well it wasn't me that was being daft, was it?

And we were talking about how Russia was involved in the Brexit vote.

Oh dear. It's a sair chave...

volver

I just thought that this would be a good place to add something I was told on here the other day.

Someone said that Putin hadn't had anything to do with their Brexit decision because she hadn't seen him on her Facebook feed.

Oh, if only the world was as simple as some people think it is...

But why do you think that this is a good place for such a daft post. Just wondering…

JenniferEccles

Although I agree that the PM’s words were somewhat crass and tactless, it’s perfectly obvious that he wasn’t making a direct comparison with the terrible events in Ukraine.
Everyone, surely, could see the point he was making about freedom and sovereignty, yet the Left of course has jumped on what he said with predicable outrage.

The PM is as horrified as we all are at Putin’s actions. He has condemned the invasion on many occasions over the past few weeks so there was no need for him to spell out the differences between Brexit and the situation in Ukraine because most of us understood what he meant.

Never mind. It does appear that some people positively delight in being outraged!

Everyone, surely, could see the point he was making about freedom and sovereignty, yet the Left of course has jumped on what he said with predicable outrage.

... can I just point out, respectfully, that it is wrong to assume critics of Johnson automatically stem from the Left? As in my case.

He has critics from across the political spectrum - including those on his own wavelength.

And the "outrage" from the Left is often equally matched by outrage from the Right on various political matters. There's a variety of historical tabloid headlines that will attest to it.

Another aspect of this is that we are not necessarily talking about 'the Right' but about one man who - considering that the Right are not a homogenous group - doesn't automatically represent them.

The bit about the boosters is illogical too. If they had the first injections later they would maintain immunity until a later date too.

None of this stops Johnsons's speech being offensive.

Urmstongran

We shall have to agree to disagree then DA. The fact that our elders were seen to first (as the most vulnerable according to Van Tam at the time) it put them in pole position too for timing of their boosters as autumn hit.

That doesn't make sense Urmstongran. Both countries could now finesse the order they used.

We left unvaccinated front line staff treating anyone and everyone. And we left the Care Homes with unvaccinated staff and no PPE. How was that going to help the elderly extremely vulnerable? Was it better to make sure they were safe? Or should we have worried about bad-tempered elderly living in safe homes?

We shall have to agree to disagree then DA. The fact that our elders were seen to first (as the most vulnerable according to Van Tam at the time) it put them in pole position too for timing of their boosters as autumn hit.

Nope. Himself hasn’t been feeling too good.
We do however hope to be going out for paella at 9pm.
Fingers crossed!

Urmstongran

^I am assuming you are not saying the generally more vulnerable by age never received a vaccination^

Not at all DaisyAnne but my 86y old neighbour waited a further 14 months with others- all residents, all on a health centre ‘list’ - for hers. Some wait eh? She was frantic.

I imagine many people decided to be impatient during the various periods of the first two years of Covid.

However, that's not the point. Your original comment seemed to be trying to say that the Spanish system was less efficient than ours. If my neighbour hadn't had her vaccination as someone of at the top of the list, she would have still been able to stay well and so would everyone else. By putting the "front-line" workers first surely more people are safe.

I am not pursauded that the Spanish were any less efficient by the "frantic elderly neighbour" argument. If anything you are convincing me they had more logical thinking.

It amazes me the way you seek to defend the indefensible Urmstongran. Peppa Pig highly relevant? Oh come on ….

Been out for lunch Urmstongran? When I've visited Spain and gone out for lunch I always enjoyed a wee tinto de verano. You the same?

Good job some voters don’t pay any attention to FB any time.
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I just thought that this would be a good place to add something I was told on here the other day.

Someone said that Putin hadn't had anything to do with their Brexit decision because she hadn't seen him on her Facebook feed.

Oh, if only the world was as simple as some people think it is...

Who told you that? Benedict Cumberbatch?

“everyone could see the point he was making about freedom and sovereignty”
No that’s where you are wrong “jennifereccles”. There is no comparison with a country getting out of a trade agreement on a slim majority and a country being invaded militarily by an external aggressor and thousands killed. I don’t see what freedoms I have gained - on the contrary , I’ve lost freedoms, and as for sovereignty , that’s going so well isn’t it ? with P and O, sewage in the sea, migrants in boats, cutting regional grants, money laundering hubs, spending far more on Brexit than we did as members etc etc,

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DaisyAnne

Just out of interest Urmstongran, how will you feel if it does turn out Brexit was "a Kremlin project. as has been suggested by many who know more than we do?

Russia had nothing to do with Brexit.

Certain corners of the internet have become obsessed yet again- with Russia’s supposed involvement in Brexit.

Putin is a vicious, petty tyrant but he’s not the Brexit bogeyman.

Yes, it did.

Urmstongran

GillT57

Just a quick reminder Urm. Despite your hero Jacob Rees-Mogg, Minister for Brexit Opportunities, using covid19 vaccination programmes as a massive benefit of Brexit, can I just point out that you voted to leave the EU in June 2016, just under 3 years before covid19 reared it's head so, at best, this was an accidental/unintentional advantage.

True indeed. But what an absolutely bluddy brilliant Brexit bonus! Icing on the cake indeed.

No, it wasn't a Brexit bonus!! The UK could always have acted independently. I sometimes wonder if you actually believe the rubbish you come out with or whether it's deliberate winding up.