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He compared the "battles of Brexit" to those of Ukraine. If you can't believe your eyes, yes, he compared the "battles of Brexit" to those of Ukraine.
This speech was inexcusable. I saw it earlier and was horrified. Then you remember these are the tactics the New Right use - appealing to the lowest common denominator with Boris humour. This is the lowest he could sink. I can't see how anyone could find it funny but he was grinning away at the attendees.
They may have had to be seen attending to Covid, the cost of living crisis and the War in Ukraine but much of that, like Gove's temper tantrum, is PR designed window dressing. They were and still are only interested in politics, in winning the next election.
This wicked and immoral party will pretend Covid is over - goodness it's almost like no one died. Their MPs will tell you the only people who need food banks need to go out and get a job or increased hours. And although they will condemn the destructions of people's lives in Ukraine, they will do their level best to make it difficult, if not impossible, for them to come here.
Meanwhile, you can watch a very well made programme on Channel 4 tonight called "What if Putin goes Nuclear". At least some people are taking this seriously.
Some Tory voters on here seem to be living in cloud cuckoo land. If Johnson bounces back from Partygate then this country really has gone to the dogs. Johnson’s antics really aren’t funny or entertaining any more. He should never have got that job.
Cross Post Lucca
Do you think it's appropriate Urmstongram to compare fighting for your country's freedom in the war in Ukraine with voting in a referendum about membership of a free association of nations?
Did you think his comparison was acceptable ? Yes or no ?
Sorry. But I don’t think it’s doom and gloom.
Yes he’s addressing the party faithful so the narrative is going to be gung-ho. I get that.
But I still believe this government is doing some things well - vaccines (thanks of course to Kate Bingham but Boris did at least think outside the box - at least he didn’t let the inept and slow NHS England take control of procurement), the furlough scheme, aid to the Ukraine, Liz Truss negotiating with the Iranians over Nazanin which finally secured her release after over 40 years of the money owed to Iran being released from an escrow account. Yes, he blunders in, but he is popular (less so these days - will he bounce back from ‘Partygate’? - probably). Which understandably annoys the hell out of some voters. Yes, he gets things wrong or makes faux pas but he does bang things together in the hope of making change.
Lucca
Urmstongran
Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.
Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.Urmstongran. What did you think of his comparison about Ukraines situation and our Brexit vote, that is the question ??
Not a discussion of germanys weapon supply.
Asking again
I disagree MaizieD. The party faithful will stick with the Tories, but most voters aren’t the faithful, they vote for whoever they think the economy is safer with. Johnson’s ‘charisma’ is seriously tarnished, so he won’t save them now.
There are a lot of Conservative voters out there who do not support Mr,Johnson.
I am one of them.
I've just listened to the extract of the speech and he also said some countries in the West wanted to normalize relations with Putin but we don't. Which countries they are, he didn't say. He's also said Starmer would show Putin the white flag.
What a despicable man he is, truly.
Urmstongran
Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.
Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.
Urmstongran. What did you think of his comparison about Ukraines situation and our Brexit vote, that is the question ??
Not a discussion of germanys weapon supply.
Casdon
I’m less despondent than most of you seem. I think the economy’s going to be the final nail in his coffin. It’s important to remember who the audience is at the party conference.
I think the economy is about to go into free fall, but the tories have been consistently blaming Labour for it (well, for everything, really ? ) for the last decade so I don't expect recession to have any effect at all on tory votes. It's the Goebel's tactic; it works.
To make this comparison just demonstrates how unstatesman like Johnson is. He's an opportunist and grateful for this distraction. It's shameful.
Urmstongran
Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.
Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.
Post of the day???
Dear God.
Here we go.
Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.
Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.
I’m less despondent than most of you seem. I think the economy’s going to be the final nail in his coffin. It’s important to remember who the audience is at the party conference.
No wisdom, no empathy, no class.
Lucca
What is jrm’s latest ?
“Illegal parties were mere fluff”
I think we have to expect to hear a lot about Brexit and 'vaccines' for the next couple of years as he has no other successes
Brexit isn’t a success, far from it, and the vaccines were a success of scientists and the NHS.
You are right about the next election though. The Tories have been put on election alert.
Frankly I’m not interested in what he hasn’t achieved but more interested in what he says he’s going to achieve if re-elected.
All lies of course
What is jrm’s latest ?
Sadly, like Putin, he is not an idiot. He is a very evil man with his own agenda about how he can remain in power.
Exactly, DaisyAnne.
But when even people who dislike him continue to believe in the bumbling idiot persona he gets away with a great deal.
The UK is not at war but Johnson is acting like he's a war leader!
As if.
One day he won’t get away with it. More and more Tories will realise that he is too toxic to win an election any more. Some commentators say you shouldn’t change the PM during a war. Churchill wasn’t PM at the start of WW2. It was Chamberlain. Imagine if he had remained in charge? JR-M’s comments too about Partygate! Left me seething. Do senior Tories take us all as idiots? I think they do.
According to the Guardian Johnson is using this conference to launch his campaign for the next General Election. Which must be why Brexit is back on the menu after having been a forbidden word for so long. I think we have to expect to hear a lot about Brexit and 'vaccines' for the next couple of years as he has no other successes to point to.
I think that his fans will lap up his disgusting comments, they love a war analogy; the question now is whether there are enough of them to bring him the same result as last time.
The thing I am most upset by is that he is not only lying about the feelings in this country, he is misrepresenting the Ukrainians.
One of the reasons they are giving their lives is to have the choice not only to join the UN in the future but to join the EU.
Sadly, like Putin, he is not an idiot. He is a very evil man with his own agenda about how he can remain in power.
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