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Johnson's offensive speech at the Conservative Party Spring Conference.

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DaisyAnne Sat 19-Mar-22 19:56:43

He compared the "battles of Brexit" to those of Ukraine. If you can't believe your eyes, yes, he compared the "battles of Brexit" to those of Ukraine.

This speech was inexcusable. I saw it earlier and was horrified. Then you remember these are the tactics the New Right use - appealing to the lowest common denominator with Boris humour. This is the lowest he could sink. I can't see how anyone could find it funny but he was grinning away at the attendees.

They may have had to be seen attending to Covid, the cost of living crisis and the War in Ukraine but much of that, like Gove's temper tantrum, is PR designed window dressing. They were and still are only interested in politics, in winning the next election.

This wicked and immoral party will pretend Covid is over - goodness it's almost like no one died. Their MPs will tell you the only people who need food banks need to go out and get a job or increased hours. And although they will condemn the destructions of people's lives in Ukraine, they will do their level best to make it difficult, if not impossible, for them to come here.

Meanwhile, you can watch a very well made programme on Channel 4 tonight called "What if Putin goes Nuclear". At least some people are taking this seriously.

MayBee70 Thu 24-Mar-22 10:35:15

Whitewavemark2

This is so embarrassing - everyone at a Summit meeting in Brussels except U.K. s Prime Minister.

At least we don’t have to suffer the embarrassment of him possibly clowning around there for photo shoots. Which I wouldn’t put past him.

Jody1234 Wed 23-Mar-22 20:15:28

He is an embarrassment and needs to go.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 23-Mar-22 19:38:36

This is so embarrassing - everyone at a Summit meeting in Brussels except U.K. s Prime Minister.

JaneJudge Wed 23-Mar-22 18:59:47

varian

Just like his backer Vladimir Putin?

who knows?

varian Wed 23-Mar-22 18:34:42

Just like his backer Vladimir Putin?

JaneJudge Wed 23-Mar-22 17:41:31

he is a psychopath

MayBee70 Wed 23-Mar-22 17:40:08

Did anyone see Johnson grinning at PMQT when Sunak was talking about Ukrainian people hiding in basements? The man is totally without shame.

Dickens Tue 22-Mar-22 23:40:17

GillT57

Interesting letter WwMk2. Compare and contrast a decent man with the present member for his old constituency; Gavin Williamson.

I second that.

This is the neo-Tory party. They've abandoned their 'old-fashioned' principles in favour of rabid extreme right wing doctrine.

Almost the British National Party in essence. Just ratcheted down a notch or two, but they're getting there...

GillT57 Tue 22-Mar-22 16:41:34

Interesting letter WwMk2. Compare and contrast a decent man with the present member for his old constituency; Gavin Williamson.

Lucca Tue 22-Mar-22 14:07:30

Wow.
So those on here who say it was just “a bit tactless”……..what do they think?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 22-Mar-22 13:40:36

Letter from a moderate Tory.

PECS Tue 22-Mar-22 08:33:34

The power for change is in our hands..we all have a vote.

Too many people say " I'm not political..." but do use their vote. We are , generally, a politically naive nation. We tend to vote tribally without looking at the small.print. Current government are wise to that and push out soundbites to hook in those votes.

Dickens Tue 22-Mar-22 08:08:13

varian

If the UK was a democracy we could get rid of Johnson, who was elected only by a minority of voters, but as we are the only undemocratic country in Europe (apart from Russia's puppet state Belarus) we are powerless to remove this dangerous clown.

The thing with power-hungry megalomaniacs - and Johnson is one such - is that they under-estimate the true nature of their rise to popularity. Gung-ho and upbeat rhetoric will initially attract the people you want on your side. But if you don't deliver the promises, nor meet their expectations, eventually the crowd will turn against you.

Right wing, small-state,free-market, libertarian ideology will benefit a few, but we're now seeing how it effects ordinary people who are already struggling, and I think there will be a backlash.

Add to that the fact that gaffe-prone Johnson is beginning to irritate his own, I don't think it will be long before he effectively removes himself. He can only continue banging the drum for so long, until it begins to sound a tad irritating to those who are genuinely despairing at how they are going to manage the ever-increasing cost of living.

... I'm worried about who will replace him. Ultimately, though, he will go. And is probably already lining his ducks up in a row.

varian Mon 21-Mar-22 22:06:52

Ukraine actively opposes Russian influence and wants to join the EU.

Johnson, backed by Putin, was instrumental in taking the UK out of the EU.

Diametrically opposite.

Dickens Mon 21-Mar-22 21:44:04

In February 2018, Johnson declared: “It makes sense for us to continue to be intimately involved in European foreign and security policy.” But when he became prime minister he took foreign and security policy cooperation off the table in Brexit negotiations.

Johnson dropped our formal partnership with the EU on security matters - he wanted a 'clean' Brexit... a relationship based on trade and not much else.

The summit is meant to discuss steps to reduce Europe's dependency on Russian energy, among other issues.

Johnson implying that the Kremlin is on a par with the EU - an organisation Ukraine wants to join - has attracted the contempt it deserves.

Brexit really did mean Brexit.

varian Mon 21-Mar-22 19:16:42

If the UK was a democracy we could get rid of Johnson, who was elected only by a minority of voters, but as we are the only undemocratic country in Europe (apart from Russia's puppet state Belarus) we are powerless to remove this dangerous clown.

Casdon Mon 21-Mar-22 18:38:21

Remember this?
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mi5-boris-johnson-security-partygate-b2003666.html
Even his own officials don’t trust him, and with just cause.

varian Mon 21-Mar-22 18:08:54

Ukraine war: Prime minister is 'leading free world' in response to crisis, says Conservative co-chair

news.sky.com/video/ukraine-war-prime-minister-is-leading-free-world-in-response-to-crisis-says-conservative-co-chair-12569967

Funny that the leader of the free world is not invited to the strategic conference of the EU and US.

Dickens Mon 21-Mar-22 17:42:09

I don't think anyone is questioning our security, which will be involved in the planning, rather some of the perceived risks to it. Some consider Johnson to be a risk because of his close connections with Russian oligarchs.

Germany were refused membership of 5 eyes - but we don't know why because their operations are highly secretive, but it's to do with whether Germany (and France) would be willing to accept the co-ordination of their foreign policies that comes along with the agreement.

But they are a member of 14 eyes - and 5 eyes are quite happy to use German technology, BTW.

All is never quite as it seems.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 21-Mar-22 17:05:31

MerylStreep

Why wouldn’t we be in the planning?
We are the only European country in 5 eyes.
I’ve put this link up as I feel some on here don’t realise ( or don’t want to ) know how good our security is.
Btw. Germany were refused membership.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-five-eyes-the-intelligence-alliance-of-the-anglosphere/

No one is saying that our security is poor re - the link. And I said that our security services will be advised. But we will not be taking part in the decision making. Johnson has been refused an invitation.

What they have to give consideration to is Johnson.

Undoubtedly he is a risk.

Casdon Mon 21-Mar-22 17:00:44

The problem is MerylStreep that you can’t trust a 5 year old with the Crown Jewels.

DaisyAnne Mon 21-Mar-22 16:57:08

You would hope so. What do the allies do if they don't trust him?

Things often come out of nowhere in politics. Perhaps becoming a pariah state means the Tories finally realise the man has to go. We can only hope.

MerylStreep Mon 21-Mar-22 16:52:25

Why wouldn’t we be in the planning?
We are the only European country in 5 eyes.
I’ve put this link up as I feel some on here don’t realise ( or don’t want to ) know how good our security is.
Btw. Germany were refused membership.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-five-eyes-the-intelligence-alliance-of-the-anglosphere/

Whitewavemark2 Mon 21-Mar-22 16:27:05

One thing for sure, they must be very circumspect in what they tell our PM, as he appears such a big security risk.

I assume the U.K. security services will be included in the planning though.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 21-Mar-22 16:24:54

DaisyAnne

I cannot see why they don't intervene WWM. I know and understand the arguments for not doing so but surely no one thinks he will stop on the edge of Ukraine?

Well I’m sure their war gaming will be telling them alternative scenarios and which is most likely to happen. I guess and hope that they are preparing for such an event, but would be astounded if they made public their plans.