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Apologies for past injustices - where do you stand?

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henetha Wed 23-Mar-22 23:34:24

I do have particular sympathy concerning the past dreadful slave trade, but generally I tend to think that if every country had to make reparations for past events then many countries in the world would have something to apologise for.
Where would it stop?

maddyone Wed 23-Mar-22 22:57:26

No I don’t. I was hoping that I could read lots of different views to help me make up my mind. Maybe there’ll be more along tomorrow with their opinions.

Doodledog Wed 23-Mar-22 21:53:25

Thanks for the reply, Grandmabatty smile

Would the fact that recognition was given by people who weren't alive at the time of the injustice make it seem hollow, or does that not matter so much as an attempt to level the playing field today?

I'm not sure how that would work, really - a payment of £X to everyone left from the Windrush generation, or to their descendants? How would the amount be decided? Would it extend to descendants of other exploited groups of people?

I can see an argument that the descendants of slave owners have had charmed lives compared to the descendants of slaves - generations of education, privilege and comparative wealth, but at what point do we say that this is also true of, say, mine owners or aristocracy (often the same thing), and go all out for a revolution? Who would be up against the wall (metaphorically!) and would it depend on the success or otherwise of their ancestors? If your great grandad was the profligate son of a mine owner and gambled away his share of the family loot would you be spared, but not if your ancestor had invested his gains wisely and you'd got your hands on a massive pile?

I know this post is muddled, but so is my thinking on the subject. Does anyone have a clearer perspective and a more well thought out point of view?

Grandmabatty Wed 23-Mar-22 20:42:03

'The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there.'
I think there should certainly be an acknowledgement of the part that was played by the UK. For example, Glasgow was built by slavery as the tobacco lords used slaves to create their wealth and then prospered. That prosperity can be seen in the ornate Victorian buildings and street names to honour them. Recognition of the role of tobacco lords, annotating street names with what they did would be a start. Perhaps help given to the Windrush generation and a recognition that they were treated badly and reparation too.

Doodledog Wed 23-Mar-22 18:03:31

There has been speculation about whether the UK (and other countries) should apologise for colonisation, slavery and the undoubtedly awful things that happened in our name in the past.

I don't know what I think about this. Part of me thinks it would sound hollow and insincere after all this time, but another part of me thinks that if the people of the countries is asking for the apology then it's the least we should do.

Sticking with Jamaica, as that is the country which is currently in the news in this regard - nobody who lived through the days of slavery is alive now, although there are plenty of people whose place in society is based on their ancestors' involvement in the slave trade. Would it be right to make some sort of reparations? If so, what should they be, and how would they be applied? Or should we all move on and see past atrocities as belonging in the past (or something different)?