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Deliberate and orchestrated silencing of trans rights supporters on GN

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GagaJo Fri 25-Mar-22 22:01:21

As the usual posters on trans threads know, I support trans rights and also self-label as an intersectional feminist.

The irony of that statement however, is that after the first few posts on the threads that deal with trans issues, I invariably more or less step away from them, other than the occasional comment. There are quite a few other posters that do the same. I could name them, but that would be inappropriate. The reason that we do this is due to the animosity and personal insults that are bandied about, towards those of us that support trans equality. No doubt, the same things will happen on this thread.

The point of this thread, therefore, is to show, publically, that despite the orchestrated attacks from gender criticial feminists, that there are still a good number of us that do not take that position.

To anyone that reads these threads but is too intimidated to join in for the reasons given above, I'm just saying, we are still here!

VioletSky Thu 07-Apr-22 09:30:17

Just seems very odd when all the (positive) changes have come in under the tories to then decide Labour is rubbish for respecting those changes.

Especially when

Woman is a societal structure only and gender doesn't matter only sex....

Trans women can't be women

Are 2 statements that don't exactly work together

Galaxy Thu 07-Apr-22 09:38:46

And that is a perfect example of the open goal that Johnson is delighted with.

trisher Thu 07-Apr-22 09:50:37

M0nica

trisher a women's movemment run by an ex conservative councillor, an ex company director and an unemployed woman.

And your point/problem is?

The point is that neither of the first two have considered women's rights until now. The problems of equality for women have always been exacerbated by the Conservativae party who may have had thee first woman leader but she was a woman who openly stated she wasn't a feminist. Just because they now choose to junp on the bandwagon I'm supposed to believe they have women's best interests at heart?

M0nica Thu 07-Apr-22 13:53:02

A lot of suppositions based on no information I have seen.

For many people there is a Damascene event, when the scales suddenly fall from someone's eyes and they espouse a course.
Since one lady has been a Conservative Councillor, so has hardly spent her time in the drawing room embroidering handkerchieves.

You may support a particular political party, but this should never mean we speak evil of individuals in other parties, just because of their political alliance. It is often done by people who cannot be bothered to discuss differences.

As for Mrs Thatcher. She hasn't been in politics since 1997, that is nearly 25 years ago, a whold generation!

Smileless2012 Thu 07-Apr-22 14:25:00

For me volver there's only one way to answer the question 'can women have penises' and that is no. As for whether that would be the deciding factor as to whether or not to vote or a particular party, that's entirely up to the individual.

Mollygo Thu 07-Apr-22 14:55:30

Trisher
The point is that neither of the first two have considered women's rights until now.
How do we know that?

Have we any evidence of your consideration of women’s (AHF) rights trisher?

The problems of equality for women have always been exacerbated by
1
people supporting those transwomen who see an opportunity to take rights for themselves that females have fought for
or deny females the right to be treated by females
or compete in female competitions because they can’t win in competitions with competitors who match their sex.

They do harm to those TW who have been in existence unnoticed for years or trying to forge a life for themselves with no desire to take rights that others have fought for or to introduce rights for themselves that discriminate against a group already in existence, but they don’t care about that.
Actually, trisher’s description of jumping on the bandwagon perfectly fits the ill-intentioned trans and their supporters as mentioned at 1 above.
Bandwagon trans and their fans.
Thanks trisher!

trisher Thu 07-Apr-22 16:18:25

That's funny in the 50+ years I've been involved in women's rights there wasn't a mention of trans until 2 or 3 years ago. So it's very difficult to understand how they have always been involved in anything.
I suppose it shows how little some people thought about women's rights until very recently though.

Mollygo Thu 07-Apr-22 16:33:05

Trisher
The point is that neither of the first two have considered women's rights until now.

How do we know that?

Have we any evidence of your consideration of women’s (AHF) rights trisher?

Galaxy Thu 07-Apr-22 16:47:32

Julie bindel in 2004. Mumsnet for years. Suppose it depends where you look.