Deliberate and orchestrated silencing of trans rights supporters on GN

volver

Don't tell me off Doodedog, I'm not a child.

discuss politely never comes into it on the Trans threads.

There is never compromise but there are instant assumptions about what people think and defensiveness about why people are getting involved.

You are not the head prefect either.

GagaJo

There will be someone along who'll provide it I'm sure. Sorry if that seemed rude Lucca, it wasn't meant to.

I started the thread just as a public acknowledgement that just because we don't shout the loudest, that trans supporters do exist on GN. I'm no expert. It's just a personal POV.

Gaga, I don't think that the implication that the so-called GCFs should the loudest is fair.

I don't think I have ever started a thread about trans issues. I may have done and forgotten, but at least 9 out of 10 of my comments on the subject are in direct reponse to those posted by 'TRA's. I think that is true of many, if not all of us.

The premise of the thread is that TRAs are reasonable and rational, and that 'GRF's plot and scheme to silence you. That, in itself, is taking a hostile position, and is simply not true. Just recently there was a raft of deletions because people dared to criticise one of your number. We were silenced. AFAIK that has never happened the other way round.

The most high-profile victim of cancellation and silencing is JKR, yet as many of us have said, there is never a reason given for this beyond 'she is a transphobe'. I'm not saying that you personally have any responsibility to be aware of every nuance of every argument on this (or any other) topic, but it does seem like an opt-out to avoid answering this one.

Here is JKR in her own words, saying why she said what she said

Mollygo & Rose21, I'm not here to be dictated to. You know this by now.

I never mentioned JKR, someone else brought her into the discussion. Neither did I mention the Strike book. I doubt if any of us have read it.

This is a genial discussion. Not a 'go get me an answer' inquisition.

Don't tell me off Doodedog, I'm not a child.

discuss politely never comes into it on the Trans threads.

There is never compromise but there are instant assumptions about what people think and defensiveness about why people are getting involved.

volver, you're the one who mentioned 'the other side'.

The point of this thread was to discuss politely, and up to a while ago that was, on the whole, what was happening. Everyone wouldn't hear what they wanted to hear, but as I've said, I don't see this topic as one where (with the best will in the world) there can be compromise.

Grannygravy's posts have been respectful and polite throughout, and there was no need to speak to her like that. None at all.

Mollygo

Lucca. i.e. no-one can list JKR’s cancel worthy comments because they don’t exist.

Exactly! If they did it'd be a minute's work to list just one or two. People just repeat the mantra that JKR is transphobic without a shred of evidence. Like all those that condemned the Strike book not having read it ?

There will be someone along who'll provide it I'm sure. Sorry if that seemed rude Lucca, it wasn't meant to.

I started the thread just as a public acknowledgement that just because we don't shout the loudest, that trans supporters do exist on GN. I'm no expert. It's just a personal POV.

Gagajo, you started this thread !!
I only wanted some examples.
Never mind eh.

See what I mean?

It's like a parallel universe.

Pax transica is being told to RTFT evidently.

Lucca. i.e. no-one can list JKR’s cancel worthy comments because they don’t exist.

Lucca

Gagajo now you are on maybe you can list jkr’s cancel worthy comments (no sarcasm intended it just looks like that)

If I was going to put that amount of work into something Lucca, it would be paid work OR for my family.

I'm not that interested in JKR to be honest, other than 1) She got a couple of generations of kids reading, for which I'm grateful and 2) I think her books are not great.

There is no pax transica, unless you are one of the chosen few.

Anyone who genuinely doesn't see the point of half the arguments on here gets picked on. That's how it feels. Not feeling sorry for myself, I can give as good as I get, but there is no middle way in this argument, you're either with us or agin us.

This morning people have been called disrespectful, the word T**T was used, JKR had been compared to Putin and there has been goading to answer my own questions. That ain't no pax transica.

Gagajo now you are on maybe you can list jkr’s cancel worthy comments (no sarcasm intended it just looks like that)

So, is trans now a blanket term to cover everyone’s sexual proclivities
Gay or lesbian or bi-or d-t-d or heterosexual or does it only refer to those wishing to change gender?

volver

GrannyGravy13

volver maybe that you mentioned me in the first line of your post was the giveaway?

Well RTFT.

Its how group conversations work.

There really is no need to be sarcastic volver

I always try my hardest to remain polite and answer peoples posts, and the way your post of 10.08 was worded it appeared to be directed at me.

toscalily

Over the past few days I have read all of the two very long threads relating to these issues and have learnt many things where previously I knew very little, come across words I did not know and now have a far greater understanding relating to all things Trans. This is thanks to the many contributions made, mostly without unpleasantness and can only be of benefit to us all.

I agree it's been a lot more polite than usual toscalily. As it should be. Makes it much more possible to have a real discussion.

Well RTFT. Its how group conversations work.
And the pax transica was going so well ?

GrannyGravy13

volver maybe that you mentioned me in the first line of your post was the giveaway?

Well RTFT.

Its how group conversations work.

Over the past few days I have read all of the two very long threads relating to these issues and have learnt many things where previously I knew very little, come across words I did not know and now have a far greater understanding relating to all things Trans. This is thanks to the many contributions made, mostly without unpleasantness and can only be of benefit to us all.

volver maybe that you mentioned me in the first line of your post was the giveaway?

Lucca

That comment about Putin ? Really?
But… I’m getting so fed up with not getting a straight answer. I have no agenda. I genuinely wanted to have evidence quotes whatever of jkr which merit what has happened to her

Lucca from what I understand it started off as a Twitter spat over some legislation the Scottish Government had put or were going to put through regarding trans women and the language used to refer to natal women.

JKR was standing up for women and their erasure through language used.

(I am happy to be corrected)

GrannyGravy13

volver

With respect GG13, we're straight away into the usual territory.

yes, yes, Jamie had a hard time, but what about sport!

What does he mean trans? Was it really rape??

To an outside observer, its all just a bit obsessive. Sorry

Another link: metro.co.uk/2022/03/30/tory-mp-reveals-they-have-been-raped-and-blackmailed-after-coming-out-as-trans-16369865/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter

volver hang on a minute, where did I say was it really rape please?

I suggest you read my first reply to you once again.

My second reply, was trying to outline how I feel regarding the whole trans issue, I am sorry that you feel this is same old same old , but if you asks the same questions you will get the same answers, which is why these trans threads are so repetitive.

Why is it that so many people think every comment on GN is aimed at them?

Mollygo. 10:04.

As someone else said the other day, incoming discussion on semantics to follow...

volver

What do we think of this?

www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/news/statement-from-jamie-wallis-mp-30th-march-2022

I think s/he's terribly sad. No wonder s/he's in a mess. Hiding something as fundamental as the person you feel yourself to be will be almost unbearable.

Good on her/him for being honest and open. Better than suicide.

volver

With respect GG13, we're straight away into the usual territory.

yes, yes, Jamie had a hard time, but what about sport!

What does he mean trans? Was it really rape??

To an outside observer, its all just a bit obsessive. Sorry

Another link: metro.co.uk/2022/03/30/tory-mp-reveals-they-have-been-raped-and-blackmailed-after-coming-out-as-trans-16369865/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter

volver hang on a minute, where did I say was it really rape please?

I suggest you read my first reply to you once again.

My second reply, was trying to outline how I feel regarding the whole trans issue, I am sorry that you feel this is same old same old , but if you asks the same questions you will get the same answers, which is why these trans threads are so repetitive.