Coming out as transgender

volver

Dear God in Heaven.

What a shocking thread.

Get your knitting out, the guillotine's being sharpened.

Silly post.

He's an MP, his constituents feel let down because he isn't responding to their problems which is why he was elected.

That's his job, to represent them in Parliament, to listen to them, to respond to them.
He could be making a real difference with his intelligent brain.

Some of you can't see the wood for the trees.

So much victim blaming

Dear God in Heaven.

What a shocking thread.

Get your knitting out, the guillotine's being sharpened.

I feel sorry for his wife and small children.

His constituents are being short-changed.
They had been complaining about his lack of response to them before this announcement.

It is a disservice to real trans people.

It really is. One possible glimmer of hope in this sorry tale is that this, combined with the sports cheats will tip even more people into seeing through the nonsense, separate misogynist TRAs and allies from 'genuine' transpeople and allies, and we can all start to move towards meaningful conversations about how to be fair to everyone whilst disadvantaging nobody.

He says he is trans or wants to be. Really? Why isn’t he doing something about it then? Still prefers he and his pronouns. I suspect it’s just a ruse to get himself off the hook. It is a disservice to real trans people.

Think pink fluffy kittens and you’ll be even better ?

Doodledog

Yes, I believe that's true, too, Rosie.

Funny that informed consent doesn't seem so important when it comes to who women want to allow to touch them, isn't it?

Doodledog when will you learn that informed consent is relevant to men not women? It's probably that our pretty little heads couldn't cope with the concept. Think fluffy kittens and you'll be fine.

Yes its rape under Uk law. I beleve people when they say they are raped.

Rosie51 Yes, that rings a bell with me too. However, I would argue we only have JW’s version of what happened, and as I’ve said, can he be believed?
The nice, kind side of me wants to think that he’s a troubled, traumatised soul who’s suffered since childhood with gender dysphoria and he just wants to start living the life he’s always wanted to live, and he should be supported in that.
The realist part of me doubts every word he’s said.

with lady penis

Yes, I believe that's true, too, Rosie.

Funny that informed consent doesn't seem so important when it comes to who women want to allow to touch them, isn't it?

I’m cynical enough to even doubt if he was raped. From what I’ve read, he’s lied about so much in his life, why not that?

I will just say that I'm sure I've read recently the law says if he consented to penetrative sex on the basis a condom would be worn, and after the act discovered that in fact it hadn't been, that counts as rape. There was no informed consent to the removal, or non wearing, of a condom.

JaneJudge I’m not married, but if a husband told me he “wants” to be transgender, then I would hope I would try to be supportive to him in his new life style, but the marriage itself would be over. I’m sorry but I couldn’t be as strong as eg Debbie Hayton’s wife.
If he and his wife have separated, then I’m glad. Who would want a man like this for a husband? Could you ever trust him again?
I’m cynical enough to even doubt if he was raped. From what I’ve read, he’s lied about so much in his life, why not that?

grannydarkhair

Just looked at my emails, and there’s one from Graham Linehan’s substack (I don’t know how to do links).
JW sounds like a thoroughly disreputable type. He was a councillor for a year prior to being an MP, but never attended even one meeting. He’s lied about his educational background, his business interests, he fled from the scene of the crash before police arrived so could be neither tested for drugs nor breathalysed.
Yes, it’s awful that he was raped, but he’d “hooked up” with a man online, agreed to consensual sex with a condom which the man then refused to wear and instead raped him. Nice to see how much he honours his marriage vows. And obviously didn’t think about his children if any of this was made public.
Is this really the standard of MP that the Conservative Party thinks this country deserves?

He's obviously got troubles.

However, Bridgend deserves better.

No, we are reading from the same page

I have sympathy for him having to deal with being raped

Yes, of course - who wouldn't? But the bigger picture is not of an unfortunate victim, but of an adulterer who picks up casual sexual contacts online, runs a pimping business and flees the scenes of crimes - it's not a great look for an MP, is it?

I may be cynical, but if all that were going to hit the papers, does nobody else think that his PR team might suggest trying to come up with an even more spectacular story, like the trans one? And that as Johnson and co are clearly hitching themselves to the 'culture war' mast, this is a good way for them to score 'tolerance' points by calling him Jamie and sympathising with his plight? And if it all goes pear shaped and the public don't buy it, they have plenty of ammunition to throw at him and explain why he has to lose his first-name status and spend more time with his family? And that if anyone points a finger they can be called transphobic and told to 'be kind'?

Or is it just me?

I m sick of the trans thing… be what you want to be but stop rubbing my nose in it I don’t need to know what you are I m not anti trans, anti gay or anti anything but I m not interested

It s nasty that he was raped (although it sounds as if he was taking ridiculous risks) but lots of women are raped everyday and it rarely makes the papers

Carry on being gay, transgender, transvestite but keep it to yourself I don’t want to know and stay out my toilets and changing rooms whilst you ve got dangly bits please

I agree Jane, reading between the lines I dont think they are married anymore.

I know grannydarkhair, I thought to myself what would I be more upset about - my husband saying he was trans or the fact he'd been meeting men for casual, risky sex online but their marriage is talked about as past tense from every article I have read.

I have sympathy for him having to deal with being raped

Doodledog and others - glad to see that not everyone has fallen for the “poor me” mentality, actually I’d call it an act. But no doubt, some will say we’re being far too cynical.

Just looked at my emails, and there’s one from Graham Linehan’s substack (I don’t know how to do links).
JW sounds like a thoroughly disreputable type. He was a councillor for a year prior to being an MP, but never attended even one meeting. He’s lied about his educational background, his business interests, he fled from the scene of the crash before police arrived so could be neither tested for drugs nor breathalysed.
Yes, it’s awful that he was raped, but he’d “hooked up” with a man online, agreed to consensual sex with a condom which the man then refused to wear and instead raped him. Nice to see how much he honours his marriage vows. And obviously didn’t think about his children if any of this was made public.
Is this really the standard of MP that the Conservative Party thinks this country deserves?

GagaJo

Parsley3

GagaJo

Are you surprised Parsley3? Boris isn't exactly a prince among men.

Not at all surprised but very annoyed. We have a PM who can’t criticise another’s behaviour because of his pot-kettle-black reputation. It makes a mockery of common decency.

We agree there.

Thirded.

It's very annoying that he seems to be using the trans 'debate' to get him out of numerous tight corners. We're back to the 'poor me, I am a victim, you have to be kind to me' mentality, which is manipulative, passive aggressive and does him no favours.

If anything, the way he's linked his trans status to running from the scene of the crime is only going to anger people on both 'sides' of the divide. Are we to assume that the pimping allegations were about to be made public, too? It's all just a bit too convenient, isn't it?

Parsley3

GagaJo

Are you surprised Parsley3? Boris isn't exactly a prince among men.

Not at all surprised but very annoyed. We have a PM who can’t criticise another’s behaviour because of his pot-kettle-black reputation. It makes a mockery of common decency.

We agree there.

Casdon

I doubt she will run again as she’s in her seventies now Callistemon21 but if I remember rightly it was a pretty close seat in 2019. Definitely one to watch next time.

He won by just a 1000 vote majority. All I can think is that is if was selected as candidate, what the hell were the ones who failed to make the list like?